Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 06 2013,10:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2013,02:24)I believe there exist many lords and many gods………. of whom Jehovah is the Most High.So are you saying that Jehovah is THE SUPREME BEING?Yes Asana,Jehovah IS “the Supreme Being”.  But it is not the word “god” that tells us this.  It is the words “MOST HIGH”.Quote (…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 04 2013,10:20)Now in that Jesus said “THOU” which means someone else, it excludes HIM, and when he said ONLY that Obviously excludes all others as being “TRUE” GODS , so what are these other so-called Gods if they are not “True” God's , they are “FALSE” or “UNTRUE” Gods, Right?Gene's translation of Hebrews…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 06 2013,06:06)1 Corinthians 15:35-39Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 and that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may…[Read more]

No, I disagree, Wakeup.1.  ALL THINGS were created by Jehovah, right?  That means Jehovah Himself was created by Jehovah, right?2.  ALL THINGS were placed at the feet of Jesus, right?  That means Jehovah Himself was placed at the feet of Jesus, right?These two are equivalent to the questions you are asking me.Wakeup, I think I've clearly out…[Read more]

I believe there exist many lords and many gods………. of whom Jehovah is the Most High.

There is a “HE was with God in the beginning”, right?Now, please explain to me how the Word “pertains to” Jesus, but isn't really Jesus.  Because what you've posted above doesn't explain anything to me about how you're understanding this “pertains to” stuff.

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 05 2013,11:17)That only means that there is God,and his first creature his *spokesman*.doing all the work.Read Proverbs 8, Wakeup.  Jesus was the “craftsman at God's side”.  Also read 1 Cor 8:6, where we learn that all things are FROM God, and THROUGH Jesus.God, ALONE and BY HIMSELF, created all things THROUGH Jesus Christ, H…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 30 2013,18:29)Mike,In the verse that you mentioned, if 'worship' is intended to be given to Jesus by the angels, would the Greek word be written just like it is?Yep.  And if the angels are to DO OBEISANCE TO Jesus, the Greek word would still be the same, right?So our difference seems to be that Jesus himself told us to…[Read more]

No Wakeup. The Word has never been God Almighty Himself. “The Word” is simply a title for God's main spokesman, who happens to also be God's firstborn and only begotten Son.He has never been God Himself. He has always been the first creation God ever made.He was with God Almighty in the beginning – as a separate and individual being. And in…[Read more]

Marty,The definition of both the Hebrew and Greek words you listed is simply “word”. I understand that.You say the Word “pertains to Jesus”. Please explain. How exactly does the Word who was with God in the beginning, and became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son “pertain to” Jesus?

Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 03 2013,18:10)30Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”Hi Daniel,I think Tri…[Read more]

Marty,Your point is a distraction.Consider that the spokesman for the King of Abyssinia was called Kal Hatze – which means “the word of the king”.This doesn't mean that the word “word” all of a sudden starts meaning “spokesman for a king”. The word “word” still continued to mean “spoken words”, or whatever.So the claim is not that the word…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 05 2013,07:50)Mike,Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Also, many times in the NT, these demons were said to be inside of a person before being driven out.  Consider the story of Legion, who went from the man into the pigs.  It sounds to me like the many demons were actually inside of the man, and then went into the pigs.  It didn't sound to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 04 2013,05:38)Are demons composed of spirit……….I believe they are not because beings of the realm of heaven as well as God himself are said to dwell in a person though their spirit.So your conclusion is that God, who lives in the heavenly realms and dwells in people through His Spirit, IS composed of spirit, but all…[Read more]

Kerwin,If you believe demons are fallen angels, as I believe, then doesn't that prove that angels are spirits?Also, many times in the NT, these demons were said to be inside of a person before being driven out.  Consider the story of Legion, who went from the man into the pigs.  It sounds to me like the many demons were actually inside of the m…[Read more]

Well, I guess I was wrong about the thread being locked at 1000 pages. I was going on what t8 said at the end of the first “Trinity” thread:  This discussion has been closed due to it reaching 1000 pages. Big discussions are slow to load and for that reason, they continue in a new discussion identified as (Part2) etc.

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 02 2013,01:31)If it's still not clear,let me know.It wasn't clear at all, Wakeup.  But you don't have to explain any further.I know that Jesus is a being who is not God Himself.  And I know that Jesus bears the title “The Word of God”.  It was the Apostle John who called him by that title in Revelation 19:13.  And John wro…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 03 2013,03:00)SATAN IS ALSO FLESH? ONLY GOD IS SPIRIT?What do you say, Kerwin? Are Satan and his angels flesh beings? Were the demons who possessed human beings flesh beings themselves? They were called “spirits” after all, right?

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 02 2013,22:07)He will descend like he ascended, Acts 1:11, and he ascended in the flesh.He ascended through the clouds. He will descend in the same way. He will come on the clouds.It has nothing to do with flesh. Your interpretation is flawed. Flesh cannot dwell in heaven.

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 02 2013,22:07)Angels are not spirits………….