Quote (jb2u @ Oct. 07 2013,21:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2013,10:15)So then if Elijah right now exists in heaven, but is later caused to be born from the womb of a human woman, it would be a case of someone being born of a woman on earth AFTER he had already existed in heaven, right?The Bible does NOT say that Elijah will be reborn and I do…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Oct. 07 2013,21:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2013,10:11)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 29 2013,07:51)Taking on the form of a slave..AS OPPOSED TO..”being equal with God”!!So in your mind, it doesn't make more sense that “morphe of God” is in contrast to “morphe of slave” – seeing that the same exact word is used in contrast?Interesting.and…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 08 2013,18:26)16“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony…That verse places Jesus higher than the angel he sent, right? Because the one who is sent is not as great as the one who sends him, correct? Jesus actually taught us this in scripture, right?

Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 07 2013,18:19)have done this multiple times but for you mike because I care I will do it again…….Hi Daniel,I've read your LONG post after this one, and will make a few points on it……….1.  There is no such phrase as “false god” in any Hebrew or Greek scripture.  If the Bible doesn't have that phrase, then why do y…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 08 2013,04:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 08 2013,11:07)Does Psalm 146:6 teach us that Jehovah made HIMSELF?  Or does your common sense tell you that the words, “everything in them” mean “everything in them EXCEPT FOR JEHOVAH HIMSELF”? Which one, please.Jehovah was not made.Okay Wakeup,I'm going to take that as, “Mike, my common…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 07 2013,19:39) ….the man was created through Christ/Word, and the Word wasn't created but was begotten or brought forth. Please name for me one single thing that was begotten, but not created.YOU were begotten…….. AND you are a creation, right?  Same with any living thing that ever existed, right?So why would you think that…[Read more]

Kerwin,Last post on page 1?

Good posts, Wakeup.

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 07 2013,21:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 08 2013,04:52)Still adding that word “IN” into John 1:14, huh?  Mike,That argument is irrational as John 1:14 does not tell how the word was made flesh.It's not even close to “irrational”, Kerwin.Does John 1:14 say the Word BECAME flesh?  Or that the Word CAME TO BE IN SOMEONE WHO WAS A…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 08 2013,14:04)To all,I worship but one God who is but one person.I pay homage to my human King who rules over heaven and earth.I honor his servants be they those created in heaven or those created on earth.Kerwin,You know I don't agree that Jesus is still a human being, but other than that, I can get on board with what you're…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 06 2013,19:01)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Okay, now we're getting nearer to clearer. 1. Are you telling me that a SAYING of God was both with God and was God in the beginning? 2. Are you telling me that a SAYING of God actually became a flesh and blood man, who dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten? 3. Are you…[Read more]

No problem. You can use as many words as you want to explain yourself. But you're lacking a DIRECT answer to my questions:Does Psalm 146:6 teach us that Jehovah made HIMSELF? Or does your common sense tell you that the words, “everything in them” mean “everything in them EXCEPT FOR JEHOVAH HIMSELF”? Which one, please.

Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 07 2013,17:22)Mike, honestly its real simple any Child understand that Sons and fathers have the same nature.I take it you WEREN'T able to point out any scriptural inaccuracies in what I posted in bold before?  BTW, I don't deny that any of God's spirit sons, including Jesus, share a spirit nature with their Father.But “God…[Read more]

The fact is that definitions #1 AND #2 are the scriptural ones……. but MOSTLY #2.  For example, “The one and only President of the United States” can legitimately be one of the definitions of “president” – but the word “president”, IN AND OF ITSELF, doesn't actually MEAN “The President of the United States”.  Only context will tell us if that i…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 07 2013,00:09)Hi Mike,………you know I dont believe the Son to be the Father.Good, Daniel!  Now you just have to believe the scriptures that make it clear that the Father alone is the Most High God.Q:  Is Jesus the Most High God?A:  Nope.  His own Father and God is the Most High God.  Jesus is the Son, Servant, Lamb, Prop…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 07 2013,11:17)Mike,Paul starts talking like a Jew and I doubt anyone is interested in understanding such talk.Well let's just throw the entire Bible out then. Because, in case you didn't realize it, it was written by Jews.

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 07 2013,11:10)….the Word is spirit are words Jesus uttered after the Word was made flesh in him.Still adding that word “IN” into John 1:14, huh? I wonder what doctrine you guys would come up with if you were prohibited from adding your own words into the scriptures. Perhaps the truth?

So Marty,What you're saying is that you have to ALTER the words “elohim” and “theos”, which both clearly mean “god”, and pretend that Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8 say “godlike one”?The words, both in the Hebrew psalm and the Greek quotation of it, mean “god”. And it is only your insistence on putting your own personal preferences ABOVE the…[Read more]

What would make me happy, dear Wakeup, is for you to either ANSWER some of the points I've been making, or just stop talking altogether.Let's deal with this latest “point” you keep trying to make first:Psalm 146:6He is the Maker of heaven and earth, the sea, and everything in them…….Does this psalm teach us that Jehovah made HIMSELF?  Or does…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 06 2013,13:31)Hi Mike:Most of the translations do translate verse 2 as “He” was with …, some translate “the same was with God…, and according to the definition, it would be translated as “this was with God”, and so, it depends who you believe.Marty,In the Greek, the pronoun (He) was written in the masculine form.  Not…[Read more]