@Lightenup,

If you believe that then your God is not Jesus’ when he explicitly stated that the Father is God and that Scripture cannot be broken both of what you doctrine implies are untrue.’

The Jews believed the same thing then as they do now and it agrees with Jesus’ words not yours.

On the other hand the imperial cult teaches that the king…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

You said:

They are two different beings and together they are the one God, YHVH in the fullest sense. YHVH is both, the Father and the Son, the God of gods AND the Lord of lords. One is seen in the OT and NT and one is unseen.

The flaw is your reasoning is that it introduces the broken teaching that Jesus is the one God at the same…[Read more]

@EdJ, on the outset, that is the very same argument that @Lightenup came here with. I am curious, did Nick argue against her regarding this?

HI Nick

hi BD,

Your lack of understanding is crippling your assaults on God and His truth.

You are poorly prepared for the battle you take on.

Would you like a formal debate? Or would you like to at least show me how John and Mark have the crucifixion on the same day? Oh, that’s right you can’t because according to the scriptures it happened…[Read more]

@Lightenup

No, t8, Jesus does not have power “over” the Father, Jesus IS the Power OF the Father…and it is through that power (Jesus) that the Father created the world and saves those men who have made that ‘power’ (Jesus) the Lord of their lives.

Thanks for setting that up for me, btw. 🙂

If you understood my post, then you would realise t…[Read more]

@Lightenup

The difference is you have put your faith in the teachings of men who say the Christ is also God, equal with the Father, yet different

I understand you see the Father and Son are different, yet one God.

Even God the Father calls Him “God” and identifies Him as Jehovah

Yes He does but dont gloss over the fact that a couple lines fur…[Read more]

In a closed discussion between @Lightenup and @bodhitharta, @Lightenup wrote :

Sometimes ‘eternal’ does mean always existent. The eternal life that is spoken about in 1 John 1 is Jesus and the Bible clearly tells us that He is the source of life. The source of life would not have a source of his life or that source would be the source of lif…

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@Lightenup

I believe satan is happy with Christians who are ranting about how it has pagan origins and we shouldn’t celebrate it. Too bad, really!

And I believe Satan is EVEN HAPPIER with Christians who are not caring that it has pagan origins and choose to celebrate it anyway. Too bad, really!

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Grasshopper

@Lightenup,

I used the NASB.
The phrase “who is in the bosom of the Father” seems to indicate a position of intimacy but I am not sure.

I agree.  Some take it to mean literally inside of God’s bosom.

The NASB is based on the Alexandria text type and that has a connection to Egypt.  Egypt itself has the culture I spoke of.

@Lightenup

Can you please include the scripture that states that “God the Father is the Father of the only begotten God who is the Son”? Because I do not remember ever reading any verse in scripture that actually says that.

Thanks! 🙂

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Grasshopper

@Lightenup

Also Kathi’s view that there are two eternal beings who are God. This binity is called YHWH according to her. She speaks with a strange tongue and different to Paul for example who taught that for us there is one God the Father. I realise that by her own admission she is not one of us. Help me understand why a person would want to add…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Can you please show me in scripture where the Body of Christ is referred to as New Jerusalem/Holy Jerusalem. Would like to see the scriptures that have lead you to this conclusion.

There is scripture that refer to us as His Brothers. If we were His Wife then why does scripture fail to actually say we are His Wife? When scripture makes…[Read more]

@Lightenup

How exactly do you think that we are going to attend the wedding feast as invited guests and ALSO be the bride? How do you, personally, explain that phenomenon?

Just curious, are you at all acknowledging that in Revelation, John was shown the Bride by the Angel…and that Bride was Holy Jerusalem? Are you disregarding that scripture?…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Would you be interested in a super debate.

It would include those who believe God is one, and two, and up to five.

We could be in teams. I would be in the Number 1 team. And you would likely be the sole inhabitant of Number 2 team, The Pope, Spock, & WJ and co in Number 3, Carmel in Number 4, and EdJ in Number 5.

:/

@Lightenup

Would you be interested in a super debate.

It would include those who believe God is one, and two, and up to five.

We could be in teams. I would be in the Number 1 team. And you would likely be the sole inhabitant of Number 2 team, The Pope, WJ and co in Number 3, Carmel in Number 4, and EdJ in Number 5.

:/

@Lightenup

Would you be interested in a super debate.

It would include those who believe God is one, and two, and up to five.

We could be in teams. I would be in the Number 1 team. And you would likely be the sole inhabitant of Number 2 team, WJ and co in NUmber 3, Carmel in Number 4, and EdJ the sole inhabitant of Number 5.

:/

@Lightenup

Would you be interested in a super debate.

It would include those who believe God is one, and two, and up to five.

We could be in teams. I would be in the Number 1 team. And you would likely be the sole inhabitant of Number 2 team, WJ and co in NUmber 3, Carmel in Number 4, and EdJ in NUmber 5.

:/

@Lightenup

Would you be interested in a super debate.

It would include those who believe God is one, and two, and up to five.

We could be in teams. I would be in the Number 1 team. And you would likely be the sole inhabitant of Number 2 team, WJ and co in NUmber 3, Carmel in Number 4, and EdJ in NUmber 5.

:laugh

John 17:3………………That they may know thee, the only true God, TRIUNE and Jesus Christ,…….

THEREFORE FOUR!

THE HOLY TRINITY IN JESUS CHRIST! FOUR!

THE GODHEAD TRIUNE IN FLESH BODY! FOUR!

Oh my, that was bound to happen.

We now have positions 1-5 sorted. I made a joke about this some years ago. Looks like it is not a joke. We now ha…

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John 17:3………………That they may know thee, the only true God, TRIUNE and Jesus Christ,…….

THEREFORE FOUR!

THE HOLY TRINITY IN JESUS CHRIST! FOUR!

THE GODHEAD TRIUNE IN FLESH BODY! FOUR!

Oh my, that was bound to happen.

We now have positions 1-5 sorted. I made a joke about this some years ago. Looks like it is not a joke. We now ha…

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