@Lightenup,

Please explain the point you’re trying to make concerning Proverbs 8. Make a statement or ask the question.

@Lightenup,

Please don’t try to psychoanalyze me…it won’t end well 🙂

The “crux” has nothing to do with creation (although what I understand today is opposite of chrisitanity); the “crux” is the christian church lied to me for 40 years and I have only recently come to realize it. My journey started with asking my pastor questions to the poin…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Your second set of “if you can’t prove the opposite, your wrong and I’m right” childish arguments.

Where does the Tanakh say the Messiah must come from Solomon specifically?

II Sam 7:12 and I Chron 28:7 are the two passages I already gave you; unless you don’t understand the “birds and the bees.” Every person up to Solomon was c…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Your response is bewildering! You can’t support what you believe so you’re going to use reverse arguments to support it; because to doesn’t say it’s not there, it is?!??? A pastor tried this on me once; we’re adults, not grade-schoolers on a playground. Either you can support what you believe or you can’t; if you can’t, why do you…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

When God says He will make Solomon’s dynasty “permanent,” He does not mean an endless biological chain of Solomon’s sons ruling on earth.

OBVIOUSLY!!!! Jecohiah had his kingship removed and the line of kings ended. Read Hosea 3:4-5 where G-d tells Israel they would be without a king until the end of days (that’s a good one for a lat…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Proverbs 30:4 is a riddle about the identity of a divine figure.

How did I know you were going to say it’s a riddle! Why do you believe it’s a riddle? What if there isn’t anything mysterious about the passage at all and it’s just Solomon using wisdom to express the power of G-d that no man possesses, no matter the level of power o…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

You didn’t answer this question:

So what does G-d mean when he says of Solomon “I will make his dynasty permanent” or “I will grant to his dynasty permanent rule over Israel”?

Who’s dynasty will be made permanent and who made the promise?

@Lightenup,

1. “God sent His Son” — Tanakh foundation

The Tanakh repeatedly speaks of a divine figure sent by God who is distinct from God yet shares His nature.

– Prov 30:4 — “What is His name, and what is His Son’s name, if you know?”

Explain how Prov 30:4 is a reference for God sending His Son; and how the Jesus is shown to be “a divine figur…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

My apologizes, I said things that you weren’t privy to in the past as you weren’t apart of those conversations. Most everything you just stated I have commented on. The only personal thing I asked was is it fear or stubbornness that keeps you where you are; nothing more, nothing less. If you feel this is a personal attack, it is not…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

God the Father sent His only begotten Son into the world as a bond servant, fully man while still remaining eternally divine, as the promised Messiah. Born of the seed of Abraham through Mary who married Joseph. The Messiah is sitting at the right hand of the Father who will put all His enemies under His feet.

You didn’t answer, is i…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

So what does G-d mean when he says of Solomon “I will make his dynasty permanent” or “I will grant to his dynasty permanent rule over Israel”?

@Lightenup,

Please re-read “He will build a house for my name, and I will make his dynasty permanent.” The one who built the Temple is the same whose dynasty will be permanent…it is speaking of Solomon and no other son.

Again it says, “He will build a temple to honor me; he will become my son, and I will become his father. I will grant to hi…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

1. “Messiah must come through Solomon, not Nathan.”
The Tanakh never states that requirement. The promises to David in 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 22 establish a dynasty, not a single-branch requirement. Later prophets describe the future ruler as:
– “a shoot from the stump of Jesse” (Isa 11:1)
– “a righteous Branch for David” (Jer 2…

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@Lightenup,

Jesus is biologically the seed of David through Mary whose father provides the tribal lineage.

Now we’re going in circles and you’re parroting what you have been told is truth. You still haven’t explained how Mary can be used for lineage when her lineage is traced back to David thru Nathan and who did G-d say the Messiah was to be a…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

“what ‘thought’ do I want to address?”

That’s a loaded question!

When we previously left off we were discussing how the Jesus could be the true Messiah. He wasn’t conceived of man, but of the spirit according to Matthew and Luke. You claim that thru adoption the Jesus can be the Messiah; yet, it was G-d who said the Messiah wou…[Read more]

@Lightenup

And that’s the point, there isn’t enough information given to make a 100% deduction of why Noah cursed his grandson. BUT, your happy with your “belief” to say Noah was “careless” in what he said in cursing Canaan because he was “drunk.” Except the passage doesn’t support Noah was “careless” in his speech; he knew something was amiss a…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Your believing Noah “lashed” out after getting drunk is only a belief, it can’t be supported scripturally; but rather it would seem is a teaching of a religion and their condemnation of alcohol. Noah got drunk, did something stupid, past out, and when he woke was angry and lashed out – see how bad drinking alcohol is.

You say “all…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

For Ham to see his father naked but his child is the one who is cursed seems over the top, which is why I say Ham did something bad to his father; so bad that Noah would curse his son and why the fourth son and not his eldest. Ham did something to Noah and this is what we don’t get in this passage; we never learn what happened and t…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

I think the more important question is what did Ham do to Noah that he would curse Canaan (What land did the Israelite’s take possession of…hmm – coincidence). To be cursed because Ham saw his father naked doesn’t make sense as it doesn’t fit the punishment; besides, how would Noah have known he saw him naked? He was covered when…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Explain what naming someone or being a parent to a child has to do with anything. You keep bringing this up as if it provides concrete proof for the Jesus being a decedent of Solomon. Did you skip reading what I provided in my last comment to you concerning adoption?

Adoption is allowed in Judaism; however, the only inheritance…[Read more]