@t8

You asked (numbers added by me to correspond to my answers):

1.So born, begotten, begat does not mean come into existence?

2.The son comes from the Father because he was begotten.

3.But your view is that Jesus is an extension of God. Another limb or something.

4.Perhaps a substance that contains two persons like the Trinity with one less…

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@t8

You asked:

So born, begotten, begat does not mean come into existence?

The son comes from the Father because he was begotten.

But your view is that Jesus is an extension of God. Another limb or something.

Perhaps a substance that contains two persons like the Trinity with one less member.

But the head of Christ is God and the head of the…

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@t8

You are still clueless of the term ‘begat.’ If the act of begetting takes something that exists and moves it to another place, then obviously the actual begetting does not make something come into existence.

Also, an eternal Father would require the existence of an eternal Son. Without an eternal Son, there would not be an eternal…[Read more]

@t8

Yes, you are correct that He is both the firstborn over all creation and also the firstborn from among the dead. I am not challenging that. When He became ‘firstborn over all creation’ and when He became ‘firstborn from among the dead’ are two different events separated by many years. He obviously became the firstborn over all…[Read more]

@t8

Yes, you are correct that He is both the firstborn over all creation and also the firstborn from among the dead. I am not challenging that. When He became ‘firstborn over all creation’ and when He became ‘firstborn from among the dead’ are two different events separated by many years. He obviously became the firstborn over all…[Read more]

Jael,

Please read my last response to you more slowly and respond to what I asked of you in the first part.

Thank you.

Jael,

please read my last response to you more slowly and respond to what I asked of you in the first part.

Thank you.

Jael , your mind is racing. Slow down and find that most pressing question that you want to ask me and then I will address it here. Until then, I will pick a question of yours and address it in the one on one discussion thread that I made to keep my answers collected in a more comprehensive manner, if and when I have time.

Thanks!

Yes, Jael, I believe that the Father is the only true God, YHVH,  together with the Son and their Spirit.

I believe that the Son is Jesus Christ from within the unity of the Almighty God.

Thanks Ed J for putting this up. This should be an exciting time to be living in America!

Thanks thanks Ed J for putting this up. This should be an exciting time to be living in America!

@jael

YHVH

@jael

The true God is defined as YHVH and YHVH is the God of gods and the Lord of lords.

@jael

I have shown you where the Son is called the eternal life that was with the Father from the beginning. Therefore, He always existed.

I have shown you that begetting does not necessarily mean created but merely bringing something forth from one place to another. Nothing can be brought forth from one place to another unless it already…[Read more]

@jael

I have shown you where the Son is called the eternal life that was with the Father from the beginning. Therefore, He always existed.

I have shown you that begetting does not necessarily mean created but merely bringing something forth from one place to another. Nothing can be brought forth from one place to another unless it already…[Read more]

@jael

Jael, you asked me this:

LU, ‘Jesus… First works of The Father.’!

Where do you get that from in the Scriptures?

Are you saying that GOD made Jesus?

If you would read my post correctly, t8 was speaking about that and I was asking him to show us where he specifically got that thought so that I could address it.

Fyi, I do not believe that…[Read more]

@jael

Challenge accepted!

In Isaiah 8, Jehovah is prophecying to Isaiah about Jehovah of hosts who is going to be the stone of stumbling. This ‘Jehovah of hosts’ is identified by Peter as Jesus in 1 Peter 2.

Isaiah 8:12-15
11 Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
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@t8

You seem to be confused. Jesus is the firstborn of many brethren from death. That is regarding the manhood of Jesus, not His Godhood. Also, He never gives up His original essence to come in the flesh. You have no scriptural backing for that.

@t8

you said: If scripture calls men ‘theos’ and they are humans, then yes Jesus is so much more as he is the only begotten.

At least you can see that Jesus is much more since he is the only begotten. In fact, Peter shows us that He is called YHVH of Hosts by YHVH. Isn’t YHVH of Hosts your God or just YHVH?

@t8 you said:

These writings clearly define Jesus as the first work of the Father as the Word that was with him.

What writings are you referring to specifically?