Hi Nick,

You said:

”In order to be born one must exist beforehand”

Yes most people exist for up to nine months before their birth.

What deep spiritual understanding have you come to by making this statement?

Good question. Realizing that the word “firstborn” does not at all mean “first created” helps JW’s to see that they cannot use the ver…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

Thanks for the peace and love! Jesus is active as the Word of the LORD before his birth on the earth.

God bless!

Hi Mike,

Yes, that we do agree on the fact that Jesus wasn’t the firstborn calf. I don’t have any problem with Jesus being the firstborn and only born god/God. As I have stated many times, in order to be born, one must exist beforehand. The Son of God existed before He was born of God the Father. All those other gods you write about were created…[Read more]

Hi Nick,

Of course we look to the Spirit to teach us. I agree with you. That is exactly what I did when I wanted to know what Col. 1:15 meant.

I asked the LORD that question in the middle of December 1992 after being challenged by some JW’s who came knocking at my door and asked me about that phrase “firstborn of all creation.” I was determined…[Read more]

@mikeboll64

Mike, Mike, Mike…you are so not done here. We need to go through Col. 1:15 some more! The firstborn of every creature would be the first born offspring of each creature. In other words,  the first baby calf born to the mommy and daddy cows, the first baby child born to the mommy and daddy humans, the first baby colt born to the…[Read more]

Well hello all ya’ll, nice to see some familiar people from the past days when we spent hours and hours digging into God’s Word here! Glad that this thread is getting some recent action and showing up in my email. Those days were intense at times and also very enlightening and sometimes even very disappointing. I love what I learned from all that…[Read more]

@t8

you said:

The logos is an attribute of God and like all attributes, they are part of God and always have been and always will be. He changes not.

My response:

So, within your last few posts you have said that the logos is a part of God and has always been a part of God and has always been in unity with God. Is that correct? Please answer…[Read more]

@t8

you said:

The Word was with God. When you are with God, that generally means you are for him, in unity with him, agree with him, but it never means you are him.

T8, please answer this question:

Do you believe that God ALWAYS had His Word or was there a time when the Word was not?

t8, you asked:

Scripture and verse please.

I already told you that you will find that the Word was the eternal life that was with the Father from the beginning in 1 John 1:1-3.

t8 you said:

This notion of yours suggests two Gods side by side and in unity. Two sources because they both existed together with them not ever not existing together. But for us, there is one God the Father. That is what we/us fundamentally believe. Your religion on who the one true God is different to what we believe. You have a different gospel…

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t8, you said: From the first fire another was produced.

This is not taught in the Bible and I don’t think that church father teaches this either. I don’t think you understand what they are saying about this. You have missed the meaning if you think that the Word was a first work. The begetting of the word was the first work. The Word already was…[Read more]

And here is part 2 of the series…

This past fall I became involved in an ESL (English as a second language) ministry with my church. I have refugees from Sudan, Iraq, Peru, Panama, New Delhi, and Columbia in my class. I have grown very fond of them. A young mother of one of the families from Iraq told me that her uncle and two cousins were shot and killed by ISIS. The Uncle was…[Read more]

This past fall I became involved in an ESL (English as a second language) ministry with my church. I have refugees from Sudan, Iraq, Peru, Panama, New Delhi, and Columbia in my class. I have grown very fond of them. A young mother of one of the families from Iraq told me that her uncle and two cousins were shot and killed by ISIS. The Uncle was…[Read more]

Poor t8, 20 years of searching and he still does not see that apart from the work AND unity of Father with His Son and Spirit, there is no eternal life offered to anyone nor would there be a book of John to quote from. He even posts this verse as if it proves there is no unity of God but right there before our eyes it says that we need to know the…[Read more]

@jael

you asked:

The question is (not exclusively), ‘If Jesus is (some kind of) GOD (Define your version of ‘God’… !)  why is he GIVEN a RULERSHIP that is LESS THAN that which ‘HIS’ already?

First off…YHVH GOD = God of gods + Lord of lords

Secondly…Jesus emptied Himself to become a bondservant in the flesh, which would seem natural to m…[Read more]

@jael

you asked:

The question is (not exclusively), ‘If Jesus is (some kind of) GOD (Define your version of ‘God’… !)  why is he GIVEN a RULERSHIP that is LESS THAN that which ‘HIS’ already?

First off…GOD = God of gods + Lord of lords

Secondly…Jesus emptied Himself to become a bondservant in the flesh, which would seem natural to mean, in…[Read more]