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    Dig4truth

    you said:

    Actually Mike didn’t call anyone a liar, he said that the conclusion was a lie.

     

    Mike:  “But in 1980, Carl Sagan told millions of TV viewers that the difference Eratosthenes recorded in the shadows could ONLY happen on a ball. And those people and their kids have been repeating this lie ever since.”

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    Ok t8, nice to agree with you. Good night from this side of the globe 🙂

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    Oh my goodness…slow down 🙂 I have so many things to address here, ha. Well it is late and I’m tired but I will touch on this one concept:

    Jodi said:

    From what I gather, you believe that when the Father made Jesus before creation, Jesus and the Father existed together from that time on as Jehovah. Is this correct?

    No this is not correct. I…[Read more]

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    t8, I get that. I have a problem with Mike calling Sagan a liar. Neil doesn’t call him a liar. Sagan was actually on to the truth and could have used a third well to satisfy the theory. Neil goes on to satisfy the theory of a spherical earth anyway through the rest of the video.

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    Mike,

    I am not at all sure why you put up that “shadow in the well” video. I watched the video that yours is a part of and Neil Tyson is NOT a believer in the flat earth. You do realize that, don’t you? He even wrote a book entitled “Astrophysics for People in and Hurry.” One of the chapters is entitled “On Being Round.” He believes the earth is…[Read more]

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    Hi Dig4truth,

    No problem about taking your time, it is the way things get addressed here sometimes.

    you said:

    Hi Lightenup, I did see the post. I even went back to test it with Scripture. Unfourtunatly it didn’t hold up as far as I can tell although I’m sure there is a spiritual aspect to it. Sorry I didn’t get back to it soone…

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    Jodi,

    I can tell you put a lot of time in your posts. I handle little bits at a time, please be patient with me. If I don’t address something in particular that you have asked, please draw my attention to it.

    For this post, I, once again will address Hebrews 11:17. I am completely aware that Isaac is the second son born to Abraham and the first…[Read more]

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    To all FE-ers,

    So, I am wanting to know that you FE-ers have seen this post I made but quickly got covered up without anyone acknowledging. It destroys your ideas about the pillars that support the earth.

    Hopefully this will shed some light on what it means that the earth has pillars to stand on:

    from: http://www.aish.com/sp/pg/48884852.html

    P…

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    Jodi,

    Due to what you said, I am wondering who you think the “him” is?

    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things c…

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    Jodi,

    you asked:

    Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

    Wait a minute, Isaac was not Abraham’s only son at this time, why is he called “only begotten”?

    People have struggled with this because they don’t understand that this verse is talki…[Read more]

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    Nick,

    you said: Yes God manifested to Abraham by His Spirit in the three angelic beings.

    Why do you think you should add to scripture? I don’t see those words anywhere in the chapter.

     

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    Jodi,

    you asked:

    Ah okay I just read your next post and see what you are trying to say. So to you sometimes in the OT it is the Father speaking and at other times it is the Son? Or is it both of the speaking together? Or maybe they are at times talking separately and other times together?

    Yes, context will help determine who is speaking.

    For…[Read more]

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    Nick,

    I am sure you would be less confused if you would know whether the word translated as “Lord” is the Hebrew word for Yahweh/Jehovah. It is easy to check this in the to look at the Hebrew/English interlinear tool. I will post the same verses that you put up and show you that Jehovah is being referred to as merely Lord in your verses. Same…[Read more]

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    Nick said:

    God raised His Son, Jesus Christ.

    God spoke through him in Jn 2

    The Father did raise the Son’s body to life but the Son raised his risen body to heaven to the Father. Both events happened to be on the third day, Nick. When God does something through someone, look for the grammar to be in the passive voice. When the person themselves do…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick,

    The God of gods (the Father) is in heaven, true. However the Lord of lords (the Son) has been descending and ascending from and back to heaven. Jehovah is both the God of gods (the Father) AND the Lord of lords (the Son).

    Philemon 1:3

    Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, Nick,

    LU

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    Nick,

    you said:

    Hi LU,

    And his name shall be called Immanuel meaning God with us.

    But he was never CALLED Immanuel as a man.

    neither is he God our righteousness.

    God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.

    Throughout the OT, you will see indications of God being with “us” as he wrestled with Jacob, talked and ate with Abraham, looked…[Read more]

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    Jodi,

    you said:

    Or what you say,

    the days come, saith Jesus, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch (myself)

    Paul gives further proof that Jehovah is the Father…

    I’m saying that Jehovah is the God of gods (the Father) and the Lord of lords (the Son). The Son tells us that they are One. Scripture tells us that Jesus is the Lord of…[Read more]

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    Jodi,

    you said:

    Lightenup you are going to have to tell us that Jesus raised himself from the dead, to keep in line with what you are trying to make Jeremiah 23 say!!

    Jodi, where does Jesus tell us that he was going to raise himself “from the dead?” I know that he said that in three days he would raise up the temple, meaning his body.

    Are you…[Read more]

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    Hopefully this will shed some light on what it means that the earth has pillars to stand on:

    from: http://www.aish.com/sp/pg/48884852.html

    Pillars Of Our Mishnah

    In our Mishnah, Shimon HaTzaddik declares that the world stands on three things: Torah, service , and acts of human kindness.

    So, the three pillars on which the world stands are:

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    So Nick,

    You cannot call Jesus “Jehovah our Righteousness.” Someday even your knee will bow and your tongue will confess this, that Jesus Christ is Jehovah, to the glory of His Father.

    Right now, your confession is that Jesus is an ascended human master, one who has ascended higher than any other human master. That is in line with New Age…[Read more]

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