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Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Hi Jodi,
I’m glad that you also appreciate my time, thank you for mentioning that.
you said:
What is interesting is that we see persecution by Christ’s TRUE followers at the time of his death and resurrection, by the Roman emperors.
I don’t believe those “TRUE followers” were confessing that Jesus was just a man and should therefore not be w…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
That’s right Nick and every knee bowing and calling him Lord Jehovah is going to fulfill the scriptures too.
Realize that the Son of God emptied Himself in order to become a man. After the resurrection, the Father gave up all His authority over heaven and earth to His Son till the Son destroys all His enemies. That’s huge!
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Jodi,
you wrote:
The scriptures tell us that Messiah/Christ is to come, raised up of the seed of David, he is begotten on a specific day in time which OCCURRED LONG after King David, he is a CHOSEN one OUT OF the PEOPLE to be a king for eternity, this seed of David is a MAN APPOINTED firstborn, his SOUL is delivered from the grave, in Jehovah’s N…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Jodi,
You said:
Dr Rocco’s translation 1 Cor 8:6 To us, ours is one God The Father, for all things are from him and we are in him, and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, for all things are by him, and we are also in his hand. Aramaic Bible in Plain English
All other translations 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet to us one God (theos) the Fat…
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Hi Jodi,
I do appreciate all the time that post took. I will try to keep my response in bite size pieces.
you said:
Jesus came in the name of his Father, the scriptures don’t attest to Jesus being the person of the name, otherwise he would be his own father. Jesus says his Father’s name is hallowed, it is sacred.
Actually the scriptures do att…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
t8,
What that light is on day one is very relevant to this topic. Wouldn’t you agree since the topic is largely about what makes a day actually an evening and a morning, and what revolves around what, etc.?
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Did4truth,
If you are going to quote me in the future, please quote the complete thought word for word so there is no confusion. I’m not normally so particular but with this about the Light of day one, I am.
My words:
The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not…
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Of course the Son was existing with God when the work of His begetting took place from God, His Father. Where else would He be but right there within Him?
John 17:For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee…
The Firstborn of all creation! The Light of the world!
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Nick,
You would be pretty useless on the earth as a man without flesh. It’s a strange thing to think that the flesh contributes nothing.
Messiah’s flesh provided the blood to shed to redeem the world. That’s a big deal!!
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Hi Dig4truth,
you said:
Lightenup: “The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not created. The created lights came on day 4.”
Sounds pretty good. Why do I feel like I’m being set up?
That’s good that you are thinking. The Light was begotten on day one. The Son is th…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not created. The created lights came on day 4.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Nick,
I realize that is not your confession. It was the disciples.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Hi Dig4truth,
you said:
Lightenup, Yeshua was before the world began. Please remember that.
Of course, He was eternally within the Father before He was begotten on day one. Then, all things went from formless to formed by Him and for Him.
Is this your confession Dig:
Do you confess and believe in Christ who was crucified, and do you confess…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Nick,
God is one, true.
Jehovah is God of gods and Lord of lords they are ONE…our great and mighty God.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Nick,
you asked:
The vine became like the branches and then became again like the vine?
Look at the context, that will help you, Nick.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
About the first day of creation and the Light…I recently saw this in an ancient Syriac writing of the “Teachings of the Disciples” which I had read before but forgot or missed that it said this about the first day of the week, day one.
2. The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of t…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
T8,
Thanks for the video. That was terrific, simple and clear. The earth is a globe!
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Nick,
you asked:
s the vine more alike
To the Gardener,
or
To the branches?
Philippians 2:5And reason in your souls this that also Yeshua The Messiah did: 6He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God, 7But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Nick,
You said:
n the verses you offered from Jer 23 the word JEHOVAH OCCURS 6 times.
In your mind do they all reference the SON OF GOD.?
If not how do you tell which God is meant?
Here is the passage in question:
Jeremiah 23:1Woe unto the shepherds that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith Jehovah. 2Therefore thus saith Jehovah,…
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 2 months ago
Mike you quoted me and then responded:
Kathi: Also, Mike, I don’t know if you remember but I believe that day one of creation has to do in part by bringing forth the Son as the firstborn of all creation, begotten, not made…the Light of the world.
Yeah, I commented on your first post about that. I said that the words “Let there be” in G…
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