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    Hi Danny,

    You said: If Jesus is Yahweh then Jesus is His own Father.

    OR

    Jesus was given His Father’s name.

    John 17:11…Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one. 12While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name You gave Me. 

    Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the da…[Read more]

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    Mike regarding this post:

    LU:  John 14: 7-11

    “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

    Since Jesus is the image of the Father and portrayed the character of the Father, spoke the Father’s words and did the Father’s actions, Philip has essentially seen the Father through all o…

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    Hi Mike,

    All of God’s spirit sons are made in His image, hence, “Let US make man in OUR image”.

    The Bible does not say that all of God’s spirit sons are made in His image. Man is made in His image. It does not say that heavenly beings were made in God’s image. The word “our” in the verse you quoted does not tell us how many are part of the “us.”…[Read more]

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    Hi Mike,

    So many questions from you to answer…I have time for this one:

    Kathi, how do you explain these clear contradictions between your doctrine and the Bible?  How do you explain the fact that John 1:18 clearly and undeniably distinguishes the Son as someone OTHER THAN God, whom he made known to us?

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    Hi Jodi,

    So the answer to my question “Where does Matt 1 say that Joseph begat Jesus?” is no where as you have shown here:

    Matthew begins with declaring that he is giving THE BOOK OF Jesus’s GENESIS/ORIGIN stating that he is a son of Abraham and David, and then he starts with giving the genetic lineage of Abraham where it goes all the way to J…

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    @mikeboll64 Do you still believe that the Sandy Hook trajedy was a hoax? See this: https://youtu.be/AOQeCtFVAWM

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    Hi Jodi,

    Where does Matt 1 say that Joseph begat Jesus?

    You said:

    YHVH had promised that He would be a Father unto a son of David who would come from David’s sons.

    Mary’s father was Heli of the line of David.

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    Jodi says “…according to Matthew, Jesus is a biological son of David and of Isaac and of Abraham through Joseph.”

    Jodi is repeating a serious error and was shown otherwise years ago or so. Matthew says no such thing in the genealogy. Of course she may have just forgotten that it was clearly laid out to her that the pronoun “of whom” is in the…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Jodi Discussion in the forum Debates 3 years, 5 months ago

    Jodi,

    Believers would not be named YHVH anymore than the members of Israel all being named Israel. They are of Israel and also called Israelites.

    Also, many sons have the first name of their father but not all the sons of that father are given the first name of the father.

    Hence, Jesus was given the name of His Father…YHVH. There is no…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Jodi Discussion in the forum Debates 3 years, 5 months ago

    Hi Jodi,

    I saw that you still claim that Matthew 1’s genealogy says that Joseph is the biological father of Jesus. You have been shown otherwise quite a while ago that the geneology list is pointing to Mary (who Joseph is the husband to),  that gave birth to Jesus. The “of whom” is written in the feminine gender, NOT the masculine gender as it…[Read more]

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    Jodi, have I answered your questions? It has been a while and I don’t believe that you have specifically addressed me with a follow-up question. If I’m wrong please re-post.

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    Hello Proclaimer,

    Second time posted:

    You said: The Son was begotten by God directly.

    What type of being is the Father and the Son according to your understanding? Are they the same type of being or different? Please explain your answer.

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    Mike,

    You asked:

    So then every single reference to the Most High in the entire Bible using either “God” or “Yahweh” could be referring to the Father alone, and have nothing whatsoever to do with the Son?  And then that would be why they always refer to “God” and “Yahweh” as a He?

    Yes, it “could be” referring to the Father, however in all o…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    You asked:

    Kathi, can you provide a single verse that refers to the Most High using either “God” or “Yahweh” where it MUST BE either referring to the Son or to the Unity of both of them?  (In other words, it is explicitly spelled out for us.)

    Heb 1:8 But about the Son He says:

    “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever,

    and justice is…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    Regarding this post:

    Here are some names Yahweh was called in the OT…

    Would you consider any of those a matter of Yahweh changing His name to a different name?

    You copy a list of names (plural) and then not see that each of those names are different and new to the others?

    YHVH our Righteousness became a new name for the Son. He was not Y…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    Regarding this post:

    LU:  Mike,

    You said:

    In the Bible, Jesus is called…

    1.  Son of God.

    2.  Only begotten son of God.

    3.  Servant of God.

    4.  Priest of God.

    5.  Holy one of God.

    6.  Word of God.

    7.  Anointed one of God.

    8.  Messenger of God.

    9.  Sacrificial lamb of God.

    10.  Prophet of God.

    I call Jesus all of those things…

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    Mike,

    Regarding this post:

    LU:  I think the Jews accused Jesus of claiming to be the Yahweh that had been seen by Abraham and Jacob, for instance.

    Mike:

    Exodus 33… 19“I will cause all My goodness to pass before you,” Yahweh replied, “and I will proclaim My name—Yahweh—in your presence…” 20But He added, “You cannot see My face, for no man can…

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    Mike,

    You asked:

    Kathi, you tell us that the word “God” (in reference to the Most High) describes a combo of two persons who make up one God, right?

    What then does it mean when Jesus calls the Father “my God”?

    Jesus certainly isn’t describing a combo of two persons, right?  So what does the word “God” (in reference to the Most High) mean whe…

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    Oh my this has been a busy place today :). I guess I’m gonna have to search for questions for me to answer, I finally have some time this evening to spend here. Anybody want to point me to their toughest?? Thanks LU

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    Gene,

    Jesus is, to those who believe in Him, our God and Savior. I know that you cannot see this. Many can.

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