Hi Mike,

An identical twin is not a clone, Mike. A clone has an original to clone to. I propose that the original, in the case of an eternal source, is either the eternally existing father and son where the son is existing but not yet begotten or the potential father and son before asexual reproduction begins. Since you are wrong immediately in…[Read more]

Here is a quiz:

Read this sentence all by itself apart from context, then answer the questions:

And I will dwell in your midst, and you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you.

1. Who do you think is the “I”?
2. Who do you think is the “me”?
3. Who do you think is the LORD of hosts?
4. Are they the same person in questions 1,2 and 3 or…

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Jodi,

That is far from the only verse that mentions two, it was just the one that fell out of the sky last night and dropped in front of me. I’m kidding, actually I hadn’t seen that one before last night.

I expect you to not be able to see the two Jehovahs in that verse, your lens prohibits you.

God bless, LU

Lovely song, thanks for sharing. I listened to it here:

Stay well, LU

Good words Berean!

This passage is so wonderful:
Philippians 2

Be Like Christ

1Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, 2make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on…[Read more]

Jodi,

Jodi said: Your reasoning makes no sense to me at all and I find it totally against so many numerous scriptures.

There is a reason that it doesn’t make sense to you, Jodi,  you have a completely different perspective than I do. You seem to filter everything you read through your belief that the Son of God is just a man, a lord of lords,…[Read more]

t8,

Every father is greater in some aspects to their son. That doesn’t mean that Jesus can’t be identical to his Father in every way according to their substance.

Hebrews 1:3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature,

The cell theory is about one cell asexually becoming two identical cells through binar…[Read more]

Jodi,

1 Chronicles 17 is about Solomon as the son of David that builds God’s house. No doubt that the passage has implications to Christ since Christ ultimately ends up on David’s throne eternally but the passage is more directly about Solomon.

Hi Jodi,

You seem to only accept Jehovah as the God of gods and not also the Lord of lords. That may be what keeps you from understanding the Son as both God and man. You spend many words trying to convince us that Jesus is a man. Who is debating that here? Many of us believe that Jesus existed in another manner before he was brought forth into…[Read more]

Mike,

LU: When you get stuck with the fact that the Bible said all things were made by God alone and also it says that God made all things through the Son, it really is as simple as recognizing that Jehovah God is both the God of gods (the Father) and Lord of lords (the Son) two persons.

Mike: So then…1 Cor 8:6 for us there is but one God, J…

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Mike

Mike, you asked: Can one creator have two different wills?

LU: Yes when the two are perfectly united.

Mike: That seems counterintuitive to me.  How could there be two DIFFERENT wills, yet perfectly united as one single will?  Perfectly united implies two identical wills, therefore only one total will.  But we know Jesus has a will of his ow…

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Hi Mike,

I said: The only difference is one cell is the begetter cell, the other is the begotten cell.

You said:
The original cell was alive before the other one ever existed, and we could consider that situation as the latter cell being created/begotten/brought forth by the former.  So the Jesus cell would still owe his very existence to the…

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Jodi, regarding the Psalm 2:7 passage about “today I have begotten you,” I believe that refers to the begetting from the grave. He is the firstBORN from the dead.

Testing

Hi Carmel,

Good words. I believe that you quoted Berean, not me there.

This is what I told Gene one page back:

Jehovah is both the God of gods (the Father) and the Lord of lords (the Son). Jehovah is not God of gods apart from His Son who is the Lord of lords. Together they created as one creator Jehovah God. They did not act separately, they…[Read more]

Jodi,

This should help you understand what is said in 1 Chronicles:

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/2_samuel/7.htm

To all,
When you get stuck with the fact that the Bible said all things were made by God alone and also it says that God made all things through the Son, it really is as simple as recognizing that Jehovah God is both the God of gods (the Father) and Lord of lords (the Son) two persons. God in the fullest sense is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Two…[Read more]

Hi Berean,
you said:

I also thought that thing
concerning the Father and the begotten Son.
The Son is truly of the same glorious and eternal substance as the Father.
They are, however, two distinct persons with their own personalities: One in Spirit, one in heart, one in purpose.

Amen! So refreshing when people get this!!

Blessings, LU

Mike,

you asked:

Can one creator have two different wills?

Yes when the two are perfectly united.

Haha, ok Mike. The example in nature is actually the simplest created organism with reproductive potential…a single cell, the first single cell of it’s kind at the time of creation. When that cell goes through the asexual reproductive process, it ends up with two identical cells with the same essence and the same aged essence in both. The only…[Read more]