Mike

Mike, you asked: Can one creator have two different wills?

LU: Yes when the two are perfectly united.

Mike: That seems counterintuitive to me.  How could there be two DIFFERENT wills, yet perfectly united as one single will?  Perfectly united implies two identical wills, therefore only one total will.  But we know Jesus has a will of his ow…

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Hi Mike,

I said: The only difference is one cell is the begetter cell, the other is the begotten cell.

You said:
The original cell was alive before the other one ever existed, and we could consider that situation as the latter cell being created/begotten/brought forth by the former.  So the Jesus cell would still owe his very existence to the…

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Jodi, regarding the Psalm 2:7 passage about “today I have begotten you,” I believe that refers to the begetting from the grave. He is the firstBORN from the dead.

Testing

Hi Carmel,

Good words. I believe that you quoted Berean, not me there.

This is what I told Gene one page back:

Jehovah is both the God of gods (the Father) and the Lord of lords (the Son). Jehovah is not God of gods apart from His Son who is the Lord of lords. Together they created as one creator Jehovah God. They did not act separately, they…[Read more]

Jodi,

This should help you understand what is said in 1 Chronicles:

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/2_samuel/7.htm

To all,
When you get stuck with the fact that the Bible said all things were made by God alone and also it says that God made all things through the Son, it really is as simple as recognizing that Jehovah God is both the God of gods (the Father) and Lord of lords (the Son) two persons. God in the fullest sense is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Two…[Read more]

Hi Berean,
you said:

I also thought that thing
concerning the Father and the begotten Son.
The Son is truly of the same glorious and eternal substance as the Father.
They are, however, two distinct persons with their own personalities: One in Spirit, one in heart, one in purpose.

Amen! So refreshing when people get this!!

Blessings, LU

Mike,

you asked:

Can one creator have two different wills?

Yes when the two are perfectly united.

Haha, ok Mike. The example in nature is actually the simplest created organism with reproductive potential…a single cell, the first single cell of it’s kind at the time of creation. When that cell goes through the asexual reproductive process, it ends up with two identical cells with the same essence and the same aged essence in both. The only…[Read more]

Mike,

I have wrestled with those passages as you have and I have an example in nature that helps me understand, I found an example in nature of how the Father and the Son can both be the same eternal age. Are you ready for that discussion?

Hi ya Gene,

Jehovah is both the God of gods (the Father) and the Lord of lords (the Son). Jehovah is not God of gods apart from His Son who is the Lord of lords. Together they created as one creator Jehovah God. They did not act separately, they acted interdependently, united in their Holy Spirit as one spirit.

Blessings, LU

Hi Mike,

The “beginning” is a person as Revelation 3:14 shows us, and in that person (the Son), God created all things, the heaven and the earth.

Gen1:1

In the beginning (the Son), God created the heavens and the earth.

That is how I have begun to understand that, it is my opinion, a possibility.

Hi Mike,

It’s been a long time. I guess I’ll try this again:

you said: “He was the very firstborn of God’s entire creation”

No. He was the firstborn of God the Father.

Blessings, LU

t8,

Do you believe that you went from not being a son of God to later becoming a son of God? In other words, was there ever a time when you were not yet a son of God?

Hi Marie,

I can tell that you desire to be true to scripture and that is a good desire. I believe you error however in your application of scripture as well as history in regards to the keeping of the Sabbath. What began as a rest in a particular day was meant to point to the ultimate rest that is offered to those who believe in the death, burial…[Read more]

Hi t8,

you said:

The word son is enough to convey the meaning of sonship and the meaning of Father is enough to convey that meaning.

Do you believe that you are a son of God in the same way that Jesus is a son of God?

@Anthony @Truthcomber

You are free to post in one of the many other places but this thread is a closed thread. If you want to get a message to me regarding anything in this thread, please pm me and I will be happy to respond to you.

God bless,

LU

Marie,

Is every church that meets on Sunday a part of your “apostate” churches?