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    I agree Nick,Jesus is the Light, which came into the world to show us the way to God and the truth of God and to change us from having a life filled with darkness to a spiritual life filled with the light He emits.John 14:66 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. NASU

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    Hi Nick,You write:God is the light Source.I write:I agree with you on that Nick. God definetely IS the light source. He is the Father of lights and He is the Father of Jesus who, as it is written, is the Light. John 8:12Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, ” I am the Light of the world;NASUJohn 9:5-65 “While I am in the world, I am the Light…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 18 years, 6 months ago

    Dear Gene,You have a common question and I think that the Bible gives us insight in this.You write:God did not Kill Jesus and then rebirth him in Mary, He was simply in the Plan and will of GOD from the foundations of the earth. Peter Had it right when He said, Jesus was foreordained before the foundations of the earth (BUT) was manifested…[Read more]

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    Hello all,I have posted this in pre-existence but I think that it also belongs here:I grew up as a trinitarian and defended the doctrine when challenged. Then one day I was challenged with the verse Col 1:15-1615 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. NASUI asked God to show me what that term meant “firstborn of all…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 18 years, 6 months ago

    Hi Nick,You wrote:My point is that God is more than wisdom. Jesus too is more than wisdom. I write:I certainly agree with that. I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. That happens sometimes. I thought your point was that Prov 8:22-31 didn't refer to Jesus. My bad.Blessings!

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 18 years, 6 months ago

    Hi Nick,If you want to believe that God didn't always have wisdom, that is up to you. I remain in my position that the passage Prov 8:22-31 refers to Jesus. The Old Testament doesn't clearly explain where it speaks of Jesus because it was not time for Him to be revealed. We have to look to the New Testament for that. The New Testament does…[Read more]

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    Hello Cult Buster,I read through your verses that you claim to prove that Jesus is equal to God.  I believe that the Bible tells us that Jesus is equal to the only begotten God and in fact He is the “only” begotten God.  However, I do not believe that the only begotten God is equal to the Most High God-His Father.  I think that the scriptures yo…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 18 years, 6 months ago

    Dear Mrs.You seem so concerned.  I think you do not understand my position on Jesus' pre-existence.  I am pasting a message that I posted in the pre-existence board for you:”Hi,Yes, I believe that the only begotten God was serving the Most High God and praising Him also but not only in heaven but at times on earth as well.  I believe that the be…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 18 years, 6 months ago

    Hi Keeper,You write:Jesus Christ (The Word) was always thereMicah 5:2 2But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.I write:This would be a good verse to say that Jesus possibly…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick,Yes, he sure can and so can his servants. 2 Cor 11:13-1513 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as anangel of light. 15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick,You asked me a question a few pages back.  Sorry for the delay but life around my home often takes me away from these forums.  I know that makes a dialogue difficult to follow.  Anyway, here is your good question:Jesus is never called OUR God.Are all called THEOS our God?Here is my reply:Theos is used of whatever can in any respect be li…[Read more]

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    Dear “Guest”,I can understand your frustration and as one that had been accepting of the trinity doctrine in the past, I will attempt to give you my understanding on this verse.Isaiah 43:1111 I, even I, am the LORD,      and apart from me there is no saviorIf the Most High God did not forordain and accept Jesus' sacrifice then neither of them wo…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick,John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. NASUJn 1.188No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,who is at the Father's side, has made him known.Both translations correctly reflect that the one that is at the Father's side is called God because the…[Read more]

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    Hello Nick,You wrote:Scripture states repeatedly that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.It says in no place that he is our God.I write:John 1:1818 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. NASUWho do you think is being referred to as the “only begotten God” if it is not Jesus…[Read more]

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    Hello all,I'm jumping in here and wanted to add some thoughts so here goes:Does Exodus 31 say that the Sabbath is “forever?” Yes, and Genesis 17:13 says that circumcision is forever. Ex 31:15-17 16'So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.' 17 ” It is a sign…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 18 years, 6 months ago

    Hi Nick,I believe that the Son of God emptied himself of whatever He was and did before He came in the flesh so that He was not at an advantage. Consider this verse: Phil 2:5-8Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 18 years, 6 months ago

    Hey Nick,Why do you say:In my view it opposes the functional idea that we can follow an anointed one who was like we can be.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 18 years, 6 months ago

    Hi Nick,You wrote:Gen 1822Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, while Abraham was still standing before the LORD.   So the three men were not the Lord God, nor our appointed Lord, Jesus. I write: I do not think that you can be dogmatic about that.  In the passage of Gen 18-19 the three men are referred to as men, two of them a…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 18 years, 6 months ago

    Hi Nick,You wrote:Abraham and Isaac and David are yet alive to God and indeed rejoiced to see the day when Christ came to earth.I write: I would have liked to listen in on the conversation when Jesus was on the road to Emmaus and told the two companions about what the old testament scriptures said concerning Himself.Luke 24:27 27 Then beginning…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 18 years, 6 months ago

    Hey Nick,I think that it is reasonable to say that it was the pre-incarnate Jesus.You say:I do not think you can prove this statement.I think it more likely the angel of the Lord God, who represents God often,  came with two companion angels. My response:One of the three men refer to themselves as Yahweh several times while talking to Abraham.…[Read more]

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