Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2008,19:05)Hi LU, No you quoted the nicene creed as if it was sacrosanct. It is flawed IMONick,What part of it is flawed in your opinion. Maybe it can be understood as the Son of God actually having a beginning as I pointed out. It doesn't mention anything about three in one, co-eternal,or co-equal.LU

That is correct Nick. The Holy Spirit is the inner Spirit of the Father given to His Son and from His Son to all believers. Not a seperate being.Did I have you worried?LU

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2008,18:41)HI LU, DO you agree with the catholic creed that The Spirit of God is worshipped apart from the Father? Is this written?Hi Nick,I believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds forth from the Father and the Son. Not as a begotten being though.LU

Quote (epistemaniac @ Aug. 31 2008,15:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2008,02:52)In the beginning was the word.  That does not say that the “word” was eternal, it just says that it was in the beginning.  A word has an origin, first it must be a thought.  Surely there must be something more than that for those of you who believe that the Son of Go…[Read more]

In the beginning was the word. That does not say that the “word” was eternal, it just says that it was in the beginning. A word has an origin, first it must be a thought. Surely there must be something more than that for those of you who believe that the Son of God always existed especially if you believe those who don't believe that are…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 30 2008,14:51)Kathi,I think you have brought the most unique argument to the board since I have started here.  I used to think there was nothing new under the sun here, as I've heard the same arguments over and over again.  But your theory of John 1:1 and the Son of God is very unique and I've never heard it before.  …[Read more]

Joh 8:12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”

Hello Oxy,I have a understanding that the Son of God's beginning was announced by the very first spoken “word” of God as it is recorded “in the beginning”. The Son of God is the “Light of Life” and through Him all things came into being on earth and in heaven. The first recorded “word” in the beginning is “Let there be Light. I believe that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 29 2008,20:10)Hi LUQuote (Lightenup @ Aug. 29 2008,16:31)I truly see Christ as existing before His incarnation, not as “the Christ” yet, but as the “firstborn”, God's Holy One.  Since I see Him as the literal firstborn, naturally I see Him as the Son of God.  Since I see Him as the actual Son of God I accept that G…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 28 2008,21:10)Hi LUQuote (Lightenup @ Aug. 29 2008,03:52)Hi WJ,Thanks, good to hear from you too. The family is well, I now have 3 off to college and only 2 at home and still homeschooling the youngest (11).  Life is good and very expensive Good to hear. Keep up the good work. I honour you for home schooling your…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 28 2008,06:46)Hi LUGood to hear from you, I hope you and yours are doing fine!Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2008,16:42) Well said.  I might add that WJ says that monogenes theos means the one and only God but that is not the correct translation of monogenes.  Mono means “only” or unique” and genes means b…[Read more]

Hi all,I found this interesting this week.  In this passage Jesus is definitely not one of us.  He is the vine, not a branch like we can be.  We aren't the vine, Christ is.  Christ is not the vinedresser, His Father is.  Here we see the Father, the Son, and believers.  All seperate and not the same.  Jesus is not making himself equal to man. J…[Read more]

Hi DK,Very good question. I would like to add that Jesus is God as the begotten God, and I agree, He is not the God that gave Him the revelation. That one is the Most High God. They are not equal, not co-eternal, the Son had a beginning before there was anything in heaven or on earth.Keep up the good work DK,LU

Quote (Tiffany @ Aug. 27 2008,00:17)When there is a problem with interpreting a Word and it is not clear, we must go else to prove all things.First I want to make sure that all understand what the trinity doctrine really is. W.J. says that the Father and the Son is equal in power. But can I prove otherwise? Yes, I can by Jesus own words. He said…[Read more]

Hi t8,Amen for your insights, thank you so much!!!You are right in saying that the Son of God is not the “Most High God” and wouldn't want anyone to even believe that. That would take a unique glory away from His Father who is greater than Himself. Also, the Son of God is referred to as “King of kings and Lord of lords” however, that is where it…[Read more]

Hi Irene,Thank you for your prayers for my sons. My oldest found out that he didn't have walking pneumonia, thank God and my other son is feeling better.As far as unity on this website, there is some. Several of us are united in truth. Others aren't. It is a shame. If I sound harsh well, so did Jesus. He called people a “brood of vipers.” I…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 13 2008,18:03)I wrote this about 9 days ago in the pre-existense thread and felt it would be helpful here.  I am not teaching the trinity doctrine here by this info.  I do not agree with that doctrine.  I believe that Jesus Christ is our God (the Begotten God John 1:18 NASB) and Savior.  I do not believe that He is our “Mo…[Read more]

Hello,We are needing some prayer again. My oldest two boys are sick and have been for a week or two. One probably has walking pneumonia and the other probably has mono. The son with the walking pneumonia is living alone at college. Please pray that the right meds/treatment will be given and followed. Thank you!LU

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2008,10:37)T8…..Your assuming the (Word) as a Noun when in fact it is a descriptor or an attribute of the one GOD.  And your references to the upper and lower cases is also wrong seeing that (ALL) original Greek is written in capital letters. Translators changes the upper and lower case lettering to meet their…[Read more]

BTW, in regards to the above post, the Greek word written as “hn” in John 1:1 is transliterated as “en” and is translated as “was”. I know that might be confusing.