Hi Irene,Let's prayDear Heavenly Father,Thank you for carrying us through the storms in life, for being faithful to sustain us, for being powerful to help us overcome the adversary, and for your goodness and your mercy that you continually show us.  I ask dear Father, that you be so close to Irene and Georg's youngest son now.  He needs your c…[Read more]

Hi MF,Thanks for you answer. I also see the angels to be a different kind compared to Jesus. I do not see Jesus as pre-existing as one of the angels, a messenger yes, but not one of the angels eventhough He may have been called the “angel of the Lord.”LU

Quote (epistemaniac @ Oct. 11 2008,00:17)Quote (malcolm ferris @ Oct. 10 2008,19:34)Quote listen carefully to what I am saying…..and equally carefully to what I am not saying… I am NOT saying that Jesus is not the Son of God…. I am saying that He is NOT the Son of God 1) in the same we any other human is called a son or daughter of the most…[Read more]

Hi E,Quote I only know what the Scripture says:Mat 1:18 esv Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.Luk 1:35 esv And the angel answered her, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most…[Read more]

Quote (malcolm ferris @ Oct. 11 2008,01:40)Hi LU Regarding the references in Genesis 6 where the scripture says the sons of God saw the daughters of men..This does not say it is angels – that is an assumption arrived at based upon Jewish historians such as Josephus and upon the recently discovered ‘book of Enoch’Job 38:7 Where the morning star…[Read more]

Quote (malcolm ferris @ Oct. 10 2008,19:40)Hi LUQuote I am wondering though, how do you see the Son of God to be different than the angels who are also said to be sons of God?Could you please give me the verses in scripture you are referring to here, thanksMalcolmHi Malcolm,Sure, here are the verses:Job 38:77 When the morning stars sang together…[Read more]

Quote (epistemaniac @ Oct. 10 2008,17:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 10 2008,11:32)Hi E,So sorry about all you have to deal with in this physical state.  Have you read the book “90 Minutes in Heaven”? You might like to check it out, it is by Don Piper.  It is a remarkable story and you might like it particularly because it is from a trinitarian p…[Read more]

Good point t8,LU

Hello E,Why only two columns? Why only two options true or false? Why do things have to fit into only one of only two categories? Can someone be unique and not fit into one of the columns?Light WAS in the BEGINNING and WAS the fulfillment of the WORD “Let there be light.” The light from day one was not eternal however. That Light of day one…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 10 2008,03:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 10 2008,08:41)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 09 2008,04:45)Hi DavidQuote (david @ Oct. 09 2008,11:52)IT IS FALSE LOGIC AND JUST WRONG THINKING TO ASSUME THAT BECAUSE THERE IS “ONLY ONE TRUE GOD” THAT EVERYONE ELSE THAT IS CALLED GOD IS EITHER A PART OF THAT GODHEAD OR FALSE. Ok,…[Read more]

Quote (malcolm ferris @ Oct. 10 2008,03:34)Quote listen carefully to what I am saying…..and equally carefully to what I am not saying… I am NOT saying that Jesus is not the Son of God…. I am saying that He is NOT the Son of God 1) in the same we any other human is called a son or daughter of the most high and 2) that He is not the Son in…[Read more]

WJ,Quote Is it necessary to believe Yeshua is not God to be in the body of Christ.I believe he is the Son of the Father and is God just as I believe that being a son of my Father makes me human.Why do you seperate yourself from the confession of the Apostles and the Church to teach Yeshua is not God?WJI thought that you believe that the Son of God…[Read more]

Hi E,So sorry about all you have to deal with in this physical state. Have you read the book “90 Minutes in Heaven”? You might like to check it out, it is by Don Piper. It is a remarkable story and you might like it particularly because it is from a trinitarian point of view.Anyway, you say that the Son of God is “God of God” and I agree with…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 09 2008,04:45)Hi DavidQuote (david @ Oct. 09 2008,11:52)IT IS FALSE LOGIC AND JUST WRONG THINKING TO ASSUME THAT BECAUSE THERE IS “ONLY ONE TRUE GOD” THAT EVERYONE ELSE THAT IS CALLED GOD IS EITHER A PART OF THAT GODHEAD OR FALSE. Ok, but I have asked you and t8 to present your unambiguous scriptural evidence for…[Read more]

Hi WJ,I just wanted to clear something up. If I understand you correctly, you do not believe in all the statements of the trinity doctrine, right? If so, then you would agree that the trinity doctrine is false, right? If it is only partly correct and not completely correct, it has to be false, IMO.LU

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 04 2008,11:00)Quote (david @ Oct. 04 2008,14:47)Quote The difficulty is this:- John 1:3, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:3 and Heb 1:10 all establish that Yeshua, at the very least, was involved in the creation event. Isa 44:24 does not allow for the involvement of any agency outside of YHWH.Hi Paul.  It's been a while.…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 04 2008,05:32)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 04 2008,17:49)Hi LU,So the son of God is not really a son.More of a clone?Nick, I couldn't see in LU's post where that is mentioned. What sentence or text of LU's are you referring to.Thanks.Good question t8, thanks!LU

Hi Nick,Thanks for bumping the topic. It seems that this keeps coming up.LU

Hi Mandy,Malcolm said that he believes that the Son of God was the “arm of God”, the agent used in creation by the Father.  I have said that myself and can certainly understand how that could be.  The scriptures are written in a progressive revelation where the New Testament's teaching shed light on the OT.  Some of the OT has passages say that “I…[Read more]

Quote (malcolm ferris @ Oct. 03 2008,00:58)Hi LUYou mentioned that you have your explanation of how Jesus can be called GOD though he has a beginning, I would be very keen to hear it.OK can I call Jesus my great GOD and Savior and trust Him to be my God and if so, why, since I believe that He has a beginning?I believe I can directly call Jesus…[Read more]