Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 24 2009,17:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 24 2009,17:26)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,17:10)Hi LU, Jesus gave up his own spirit at calvary. He died. His faith extended beyond death to continued life in the Spirit of his God.Nick,I understand that Jesus had a united spirit with the Father within Him which He committed…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 24 2009,17:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 24 2009,17:17)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,17:04)Hi LU, In light of Romans 8 can you tell us that the Spirit of Christ is not the Spirit of God in him?Hi Nick,See page 20, 2nd post from the top.  I have discussed Romans 8 there.  Please note that the Father's Spirit has no n…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,17:10)Hi LU, Jesus gave up his own spirit at calvary. He died. His faith extended beyond death to continued life in the Spirit of his God.Nick,I understand that Jesus had a united spirit with the Father within Him which He committed into the hands of the Father. The body without the spirit is dead.James 2:2626…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,17:04)Hi LU, In light of Romans 8 can you tell us that the Spirit of Christ is not the Spirit of God in him?Hi Nick,See page 20, 2nd post from the top. I have discussed Romans 8 there. Please note that the Father's Spirit has no need to cry out “Abba Father” for the Father has no Father. Since the Son's spirit…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Thank you for discussing this with me. I disagree with you but I don't have anything more to offer right now. Maybe I was just supposed to dig deeper in the scriptures and I appreciate you and Thinker for your challenges. I am confident with what I have shared. I believe that I have overcome your challenges and I have no desire to…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 23 2009,22:26)Lightenup said:Quote Thinker,Whether or not your resource says middle or middle passive and mine say passive, neither say that the verb in question is in the active voice.  If it is the middle voice that can simply mean that Jesus participated in the action of raising up but was initiated externally.  So, H…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 23 2009,09:29)TO KATHI:Kathi,This discussion has caused me to get out my Greek textbooks on the middle voice. The verses in Matthew 20:19 and 27:63 are indeed written in the middle voice. However, the middle may sometimes function as a “middle-passive.” I will get back to you on this. About the passive verb ἠγέρθη in John…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 22 2009,20:52)Lightenup said:Quote The disciples recalled His words after He was raised from the dead, true.  Look at the verb “raised” and notice that it is in the passive tense:John 2:2222 So when He was raised from the dead…NASUAlso, Jesus told them that He was going back to the Father during His time with them.…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 22 2009,20:52)Lightenup said:Quote The disciples recalled His words after He was raised from the dead, true.  Look at the verb “raised” and notice that it is in the passive tense:John 2:2222 So when He was raised from the dead…NASUAlso, Jesus told them that He was going back to the Father during His time with them.…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 22 2009,20:52)Lightenup said:Quote The disciples recalled His words after He was raised from the dead, true.  Look at the verb “raised” and notice that it is in the passive tense:John 2:2222 So when He was raised from the dead…NASUAlso, Jesus told them that He was going back to the Father during His time with them.…[Read more]

Keith,The disciples recalled His words after He was raised from the dead, true. Look at the verb “raised” and notice that it is in the passive tense:John 2:2222 So when He was raised from the dead…NASUAlso, Jesus told them that He was going back to the Father during His time with them. Those were His words also that they remembered. Jesus…[Read more]

Keith,I'm going out with my husband tonight too! Woohoo for date night I fully believe Jesus's words that He raised His body on the third day but I don't believe He did that till AFTER He saw Mary at the tomb on the third day. You see, I don't think that Jesus was saying that He was going to raise Himself to life. He said that He will raise…[Read more]

Thinker,If you believe that Romans 8:9 refers to the Spirit of Christ raising Christ from the dead instead of the Spirit of the Father then show me in another passage that Christ raised Himself from the dead in an active voice. Make it a clear scripture.Kathi

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 21 2009,21:39)WorshippingJesus said to kathi:Quote That was my point to Marty is that the Spirit in context of Rom 8:8:26, 27 cannot be the Father or Jesus.If you say the Spirit here is the Father then it would not be the Father through the Holy Spirit who gives life to our bodies!Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would be…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 22 2009,06:48)Lightenup said:Quote Keith, No, I don't think you are stupid but I beg you to slow down, get off the defensive, take a breath and analyze the verse. You can go here to see that the article translated “of Him who” is in the masculine singular genitive just like the verb “raised” which is also the masculine…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 22 2009,05:18)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 22 2009,14:59)Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 22 2009,13:39)WorshippingJesus said to kathi:Quote That was my point to Marty is that the Spirit in context of Rom 8:8:26, 27 cannot be the Father or Jesus.If you say the Spirit here is the Father then it would not be the Father through the Holy…[Read more]

To all you “old men” out there:Keith said:Quote OK Kathi, I have my oxygen tank on and am taking my time, after all I am 54 and a little slow sometimes, I'm sorry but I just got this in my email and I just had to give tribute to all the “old men” on here that occasionally need to take those oxygen tanks down from the shelf and load up. I hope it…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 21 2009,19:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 21 2009,18:38)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 21 2009,15:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 21 2009,14:21)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 21 2009,12:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 21 2009,10:44)Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 21 2009,04:42)WorshippingJesus wrote:Quote ”And if the Spirit of him who r…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Aug. 21 2009,15:11)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 22 2009,04:12)Quote (Gene @ Aug. 21 2009,11:19)Lightenup………Yes the Spirit (OF) Him and If it is the SPIRIT (OF) HIM, it can be described as an (IT), for instance the cow got out and (IT) ran away. It is still the same thing  the Cow being described by the word (IT)> Good post…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 21 2009,15:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 21 2009,14:21)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 21 2009,12:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 21 2009,10:44)Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 21 2009,04:42)WorshippingJesus wrote:Quote ”And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you”, he who raised Christ from the dead wil…[Read more]