Proclaimer,

You asked: But if your doctrine is not a Binity (while clearly it is), then what name do you give this doctrine?

It is simply a Unity.

Carmel,

So you don’t think that it was the Father that established the plan for the Son to become the Messiah, the sacrificial lamb?

The Son did not establish the plan, He was willingly obedient though, to follow  His Father’s plan.

The Fayher gives the vision, the Son carries out the vision, imo.

Proclaimer, I don’t teach a binity doctrine either, btw, as I have said for the hundredth time or thereabouts.

I will be at the edge of my seat waiting on your reply 😉

Carmel,

LU: He begat His Son before He created anything.

CARMEL: Where in the bible one can read the above?

Col 1

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation: 16for by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or rulers, or authorities—all t…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

You’re welcome. I look forward to your response.

Also, please remember that I do not teach the trinity doctrine.

I teach the Unity of YHVH, with the Father who is within the UNITY, as the head of the UNITY, His Son within the UNITY as the only begotten son of the Father, and the Holy Spirit which comes from them as one Spirit.

LU

John 10

1“Truly, truly I say to you, the one who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

Regarding the election, who might this apply to?

God chooses and man chooses.

14Now, therefore, fear the LORD and serve Him in sincerity and truth; cast aside the gods your fathers served beyond the Euphrates and in Egypt, and serve the LORD. 15But if it is unpleasing in your sight to serve the LORD, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers serv…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

You asked:

So what is he (Jesus) then?

The Father identifies the Son as YHVH, see here:

Hebrews 1:10-12

O Lord (the Son),

You (the Son) laid the foundations of the earth,

and the heavens are the work of Your hands (the Son’s hands).

11They will perish, but You (the Son) remain;

they will all wear out like a garment.

12You (the…[Read more]

Hi David,

You said:

You can’t control the strengths or objects of your desires. It’s they that control you.

Sure you can control the strengths or objects of your desires but you might have to go through a detox of some kind or counseling, along with replacing bad habits with good habits with the help of the LORD. Otherwise, the verse ins…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

You said;

If you come into existence then you are created or born from God directly. Is there another way?

Well, I don’t believe the Son “came into existence,” I believe he always was in existence in some manner. He was never non-existent, before he was born/begotten, as I understand it.

Regarding the created man, he DID come into…[Read more]

PC,

You said: You know you are not winning with these objections

Which objections specifically do you disagree with? You neglect to directly address some very important objections. I have posted the same post to you at least three times recently, now Danny Dabbs is posting it to you also.

It looks like you are stumped, maybe hoping it gets…[Read more]

PC,

I do appreciate that you allow opposing view points here otherwise how would anyone get sharpened. I know you also have to block posts by spammers which is good. So, there is some form of censorship that you have to do while you block some “new members” posts due to what you determine as spamming.

What is happening on the main social media…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

You said: Once God pronounced His word, the Son left the Father, your term begat, and established Himself engrafted in the heart of the endless spirits emanated from God!

Where do you find that the Son “established Himself?”

In Proverbs 8:23, it is another person that “establishes” (as you use the term) Wisdom, not “Wisdom” itself.

LU

Carmel,

I see where you get the phrase, “I was established” from. Here is another note on that Hebrew word translated as “installed” for Proverbs 8:23:

Niph`al Perfect1singular נִסַּכְתִּי Proverbs 8:23 I was installed (of Wisdom).

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5258.htm

This will be an interesting word to look into more deeply. I agree with…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

You said:

Carmel: thanks for the correction!  90% of the posts on heaven net need some kind of correction, I never read any correction from anyone to anyone yet!

I agree that many posts on HN could be corrected in form or grammar, etc. I’m sure mine could as well at times. I edit myself frequently 🙂

Carmel: are you going to do the…

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Proclaimer,

You said: So in a sense, we existed in God too, but we are not God or YHWH.

In what sense did we exist in God eternally, Proclaimer…chapter and verse, please.

Hi Carmel,

You said:

ME: YOU DIDN’T QUITE UNDERSTOOD WHAT I POSTED, I SAID:

I don’t mean to pick on you but I was reading your latest response to me and maybe part of the problem of me not understanding you is partly how you misuse English words and tenses, etc. For instance, that word “understood”  in your sentence that I quoted here, should be…[Read more]

PC asked:

But wouldn’t existence be the moment you are your own person? That would be when you are begotten or created.

Existence doesn’t happen the moment one is born, Proclaimer. Even humans “exist” within the womb before birth for several months. Have you ever seen a baby in the womb of a mother through an ultrasound? Who can say that a baby d…[Read more]

@Danny Dabbs

Here is a picture for you demonstrating the plausability of a son being inside a father until begotten from the father, resulting in an offspring that is identical to its father.

This is a picture of asexual reproduction of a cell through the process of “closed mitosis.” Scroll down the page till you see the diagram “B Closed…[Read more]

@Danny Dabbs

You said:

If Christ had always existed alongside the Father, then
that would make them brothers or twins.
Not a real Father and Son.

I didn’t say that the Son always existed “alongside” the Father. I said that He existed within the Father until He was begotten before the ages.

DD: I believe that Jesus was actually begotten by God in…

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