You are thinking about the cross as if that was the weapon. I think of the cross as if that was the altar that held the final and perfect sacrifice. If you detest the cross, maybe you are looking at the malice and wickedness of the crucifixion instead of the love and sincerity of the truth that what happened on the cross was a sacrifice. So,…[Read more]

Hi Georg,Thanks for sharing that. I'll bet there are a lot of those nuggets yet to be discovered in the scriptures.Bless you,Kathi

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2010,15:26)Hi LU, Conjecture about the origins of the Son of man has led carnal men to worship him distracting from his mission which was to draw men to the one true God through him.Paul tore his clothes when the same thing happened to him.Nick,Jesus never told us to not know His origins…that is your desire, not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 01 2010,20:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 02 2010,07:21)If the Son of God was a created part of creation as a firstborn, then He would have had to come from a created being.  He was not from a created being before all things were created through Him.Hi Kathi,If your logic is correct, then to be created we would have had to…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2010,20:33)Hi LU,The possible different origins of the Son of God is not relevant to his mission.Because of this distraction carnal folk forget he is a man, the Son of Adam, who came to show us the way of salvation. Instead they are tempted to worship him as some sort of demigod instead of listening to his advice. He…[Read more]

NickI think Jesus had two, we who are born again have two. The Spirit of the Father left Jesus' body and that is why Jesus said “Father, why did you forsake me,” and then after that, Jesus gave up His own inner person spirit (the Son of God part) into the hands of the Father. The Father placed that spirit within the glorified body three days…[Read more]

Ok Nick,My opinion is that the Son of God had a heavenly body before He came as a baby. At that point the Son of God gave up His heavenly body to take on an earthly body. For a period of 3 days, the Son of God was without a body and thus dead for three days. After three days, He again was contained within a body, this time a glorified body. The…[Read more]

Right Nick,We cannot follow Him into a monogenes theos relationship but we can follow Him as being born from the dead and being begotten that way. Quote When he died did he remain such a god? Yes, always the monogenes theos.

Nick,His “sonship” as the other Davidic kings was a fulfillment of prophecy and in that particular “sonship,” He was one of many “sons,” Davidic kings. For example, Solomon was also prophecied about as a future Davidic King.1Ki 8:20The Lord has kept the promise he made. 1 I have taken my father David’s place and have occupied the throne of I…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2010,15:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2010,15:13)What tradition Nick?Hi LU, You were explaining how ONLY BEGOTTEN relates to a son of promise but now withdraw that when it comes to Jesus?Nick,Jesus didn't have an older brother like Isaac so you can't compare the two. Their situations are like apples to oranges.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2010,23:30)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2010,14:53)Here is some NET Bible comments on the issue:Quote  tn Or “the beginning of God’s creation”; or “the ruler of God’s creation.” From a linguistic standpoint all three meanings for ἀρχή (arch) are possible. The term is well attested in both LXX (Gen 40:13, 21; 41:13) and i…[Read more]

What tradition Nick?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2010,22:28)Hi LU, Sonship according to a promise could fit with Ps2 and the JordanBut Nick,The Son was begotten before any promise was made or even necessary and He was the one that fulfilled the promise that eventually was made.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2010,22:27)Hi LU, So it has to do with SONSHIP by a promise and not begettal?Nick,Isaac wouldn't have been the promised son if he wasn't begotten.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2010,22:37)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2010,11:59)He became deity from His onset.  Much like a child becomes human from their onset.  God the Father was God before anything at all was created, right?  The Most High God didn't need to do anything to be God.  Likewise, the Most High God's only begotten Son didn't have to…[Read more]

Nick,You know that Abraham's attempt to offer up Isaac was a much bigger act of faith because Isaac was the only one promised to Abraham to fulfill God's covenant with Him. It wouldn't have been such a big deal if Abe had two sons to choose from, one dies, one lives and fulfills the promise. Nope, only one son was begotten that could fulfill the…[Read more]

Nick,Isaac was the only son of the promise though.

Nick,This thread is not about the monogenes theos part of the verse. We have beaten that horse to death.

Nick,He is the only begotten Son, not an adopted son, not a created son. A unique type of son that we cannot follow Him as. An adopted son can never be a literal offspring like a true son can. You are a doctor, you should know that.

Nick,Many Greek scholars have also translated it that way. In fact, all the Bibles that I have read use the word “only” but I already told you that a while ago.