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Lightenup replied to the topic Echad and elohym part 2 in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years ago
Quote (JustAskin @ May 04 2010,17:21)LU,You say that the Father and the Son are “both One”.Now, while this is true, did you mean to say it that way. Yes, they are BOTH ONE – the first is One and the second is One, Yes.Did you mean: They are both ONE is Spiritual Purpose, Both working for the same End? Yes then. They are One in each Other.Did you…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Echad and elohym part 2 in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 04 2010,23:06)Quote (Lightenup @ May 05 2010,14:00)Mike is right JA but you will only find the NASB to translate it that way:John 1:1818 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.NASUHi Kathi,How about these translations?John 1:18 King James Version No man…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Echad and elohym part 2 in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years ago
Quote (JustAskin @ May 04 2010,16:35)LU,Please can you point me to where Jesus was given the name of the Father.I'm not saying you are wrong – I just want to read it from where you read it from.Thank you, JustAskin.JA,John 17:11-12Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. 12 “While…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Echad and elohym part 2 in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 04 2010,21:55)Quote (JustAskin @ May 05 2010,08:37)Please can you point me to where Jesus is called the Begotten God.Hi JA,John 1:18mikeMike is right JA but you will only find the NASB to translate it that way:John 1:1818 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Answering jodi lee's nonsense in the forum The Hot Seat 16 years ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 04 2010,14:49)Hi lU, So logic fills the gaping holes and you feel justified in your speculations? When will you let scripture teach you?Where does scripture say he WAS BORN before creation??“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old. Ages ago I was set up, at the first, before the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Echad and elohym part 2 in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 04 2010,14:26)Hi LU, The Son of God is not YAH but YAHSHUA. He came in his Father's name and did works in that name. Do you work in the name of Jesus? Are you therefore Jesus?Nick,The Son was Yahweh as the root of David and Yahshua as the branch of David. The Son was given the Father's name. The Father and the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Answering jodi lee's nonsense in the forum The Hot Seat 16 years ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 04 2010,14:33)Hi LU, No doubt you have evidence for these claims?”GIVEN BEFORE CREATION” is not written in Jn17. He was no superman but a man who worked in the name and anointing of his God till he died. Now the Lord is the Spirit.Nick,A child is given His Father's name when He is born. He was born before creation.You…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Echad and elohym part 2 in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 01 2010,01:28)Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2010,17:09)It seems to me that the name that means 'Jehovah Saves' would be a good name to include the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jehovah is the name of the Father and the Son in the OT and 'Jehovah Saves' is applicable to the Father and to the Son in the NT. They are a…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Echad and elohym part 2 in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years ago
In the name (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…The Bible tells us that the Father gave the Son His name and the Holy Spirit is the inner person of the Father and is referred to by the name of the Father. So, there is one name for the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, that doesn't make them equal or three…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Answering jodi lee's nonsense in the forum The Hot Seat 16 years ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 04 2010,02:20)Hi LU, All the names given in creation do not change who one is.Jesus is the promised Son of God.Yahshua.Nick,The Father's name, Jehovah, given before creation to the Son identified the Son who was the Outstretched Arm of the Lord during creation and throughout the Old Testament and He was the root of David.…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Answering jodi lee's nonsense in the forum The Hot Seat 16 years ago
Quote (seekingtruth @ May 04 2010,04:53)Personally I believe that all references in the OT where God appeared to someone it was Jesus. Jesus was acting as the Father's Agent – An agent is a person who is authorized to act on behalf of another party and represent their interest. It could also be likened to a TV, I saw Obama on TV last night, now I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Answering jodi lee's nonsense in the forum The Hot Seat 16 years ago
Gene,We do believe very differently. I believe that the “word” in the beginning was a person as the literal Son of God, not created as the angels but procreated as a literal son would be. He was given His Father's name, Jehovah as the root of David, and His name became Jehovah Saves as the branch of David. We know that the Most High God…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Love your enemy in the forum Scriptural Teachings 16 years ago
Quote (seekingtruth @ May 04 2010,11:52)terraricca,I recently had my business, patent, savings, retirement, and equity in my home taken from me by an individual who used the courts as a weapon, and this was in spite that I had been faithful with him in all I did. This was a major blow to my whole family and it seemed wrong that this was my reward…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Answering jodi lee's nonsense in the forum The Hot Seat 16 years ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 04 2010,00:38)Quote (Lightenup @ May 03 2010,15:48)Are you saying that the manuscript that the NWT was used for translating the OT is older than the Septuagint or the Dead Sea Scrolls? There seems to be no mention of it online. Keep looking if you want.Hi Kathi,Okay, I will. This is from Wikipedia (JHWH):According to th…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Answering jodi lee's nonsense in the forum The Hot Seat 16 years ago
Nick,I never said that the Son became the Father, I said that the Father gave the Son His name Jehovah. This was a typical practice for the Jews…to name the son the father's name. See here regarding John the Baptist:Quote Luke 1:57-6557 Now the time had come for Elizabeth to give birth, and she gave birth to a son. 58 Her neighbors and her…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Answering jodi lee's nonsense in the forum The Hot Seat 16 years ago
Nick,Yes, I do accept what God said about Himself. I also accept what Jesus said about the Father giving Him (the Son) His (the Father's) name.
Lightenup replied to the topic Echad and elohym part 2 in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years ago
Quote (JustAskin @ May 01 2010,01:37)LU,Have you also considered what the Scriptures also says: “Any man who leads another from the ways of sin 'Saves' his (the sinner) life covers a multitude of his own sins”(slight paraphrase)Only asking: Does the Holy Spirit 'save' or is it a 'means' by which we may be saved. Is there a verse that claims that…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Answering jodi lee's nonsense in the forum The Hot Seat 16 years ago
Where have I shown any disrespect Nick?
Lightenup replied to the topic Answering jodi lee's nonsense in the forum The Hot Seat 16 years ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 02 2010,22:53)Hi LU, When God told us His name it is I AM WHO AM. Somehow you hear that as WE ARE WHO ARE??Nick,A long time ago there was the first 'Hassan' and he gave his name to his son, and he was 'Hassan' also. They both could say “I am a Hassan.”
Lightenup replied to the topic Answering jodi lee's nonsense in the forum The Hot Seat 16 years ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 01 2010,01:17)Hi Kathi,You said:Quote Well, I am not convinced that the oldest manuscripts have 'Jehovah' in 19:18 (that is what you meant, right) what made me reconsider that Lot may be praying is the different word he used in 19:18 for 'Lord' than the one he used for 'lords' in 19:2.Yes, that is what I meant. Why would…[Read more]
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