Quote (karmarie @ May 24 2010,02:53)Simply forgiven…Dennison)Sorry I hadnt been following this thread (theres so many here on trin/anti – trin) so I didnt know what id posted had already been covered.In answer to your question on these verses..Quote John 16:7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 23 2010,02:17)Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2010,13:45)Hi SF,I'm glad we are agreeing on something.  That's always nice About your comments:Quote t doesnt make since, How can you be full God, and NOT be God. From what your telling me, its like he took a seed and just planted it, and that seed came from him.  is that what y…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2010,22:45)Hi Kathi,You said:Quote Maybe it is you who wants very badly for Jesus to be something less than scripture teaches.  Don't you think that is a possibility?Not at all.  I yearn to give Jesus every bit of honor and praise he deserves.  Jesus never called himself God.  He always deferred greatness to his Fat…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 23 2010,15:58)Hi Kathi,You said:Quote I have given you scriptures for what I believe.That is my point Kathi.  Your scriptures don't actually say what you think they do.  They COULD mean that, but they don't say it for sure.  So all you are really going on is your own conjecture.  But then you seem to think because I don…[Read more]

t8,Interesting idea. I came across a forum once that had all the posts of a member all together. So, if I was interested in seeing what you believe, I would go to your profile page and click on “see all posts written by this member” or something like that. Of course there would be a way to find that post in the thread it was actually posted in.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2010,23:38)Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2010,12:54)Mike,If God intended to keep the mystery of His Son a mystery until He was ready to reveal it, He did a good job…didn't He?Many people now see the person of the Son as being called Jehovah as well as the person of the Most High God, the Father as being called Jehovah.…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 22 2010,00:06)Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2010,15:48)The first time He was begotten as the only begotten God, (John  1:18 NASB) the second time He was still the begotten God from His past but also became the Son of Man.  He is the root of David and the offspring of David.  The root of David was 100% root, the offspring of…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 22 2010,03:08)LU,Mike is right.My question you did not answer.Lord is a Title, not a name.You are making untenable links.It always amazes me where people use verses quoted from the Old Testament which speak of God doing or saying something, as proof of Jesus being God when that same verse is quoted in the New Testament by…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2010,23:55)Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2010,14:59)Mike and JA,Zech 14:5b …The Lord, my God, shall come, and all the saints with thee.The One whose feet will land on the Mount of Olives at His bodily, visible return is the same Lord called “the Lord, my God.” And, as many New Testament verses indicate, He will be…[Read more]

Mike,If God intended to keep the mystery of His Son a mystery until He was ready to reveal it, He did a good job…didn't He?Many people now see the person of the Son as being called Jehovah as well as the person of the Most High God, the Father as being called Jehovah. It is not just me. That mystery of Christ has been revealed to those who…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 21 2010,02:32)Quote Ok, SF, I read through the six pages of this topic.  Thanks for the summary.  I'll add what I believe that God has taught me on this passage over time.You wrote:Quote John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”-:33 “The Jews answred him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and b…[Read more]

Mike,Just goes to show ya, never give your heart away to a kangaroo You can see my Zech 14 post in Echad and Eloyhim thread.As far as the Arm as the person of the Son of God goes, I believe that He was the Arm in the creation and the people understood that the Lord God and His Arm as one and alone. That is how the Lord God portrayed Himself…as…[Read more]

Mike and JA,Zech 14:5b …The Lord, my God, shall come, and all the saints with thee.The One whose feet will land on the Mount of Olives at His bodily, visible return is the same Lord called “the Lord, my God.” And, as many New Testament verses indicate, He will be accompanied by the saints.1 Thessalonians 3:13 So that he may establish your hearts…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 13 2010,14:16)Question to all of those who are anti-trine… idk how to spell it… I would really like to understand two things?Of two scriptures, and i hope that ya dont take it as myself being agressive, or antagonizing ya. I really would like to know your interpretation of two scriptures.  and compare with others…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 20 2010,22:08)You know what im the one who messed up. Let me apologize.  I had to relook at it. Im still hold to the points i made, but i didnt get what ya were saying. I GEt what you met by IN, my bad! lolBut im still holding to the points i made, and the context of the scripture, and i just mis-worded some of the…[Read more]

SF,You didn't show me where Jesus said He is the Father. Can you show that to me please?

Hi SF,Where does Jesus say that He is the Father? He says that He is in the Father and that the Father is in Him but it doesn't say that He is the Father. Let's take a little example of what that could look like. Is the influence of your father in you and your influence in your father? That is just one way that the father can be in you and you…[Read more]

Hello SF,you said:Quote Show me a scripture that Jesus says that he is NOT the Father.John 7:2828 Then Jesus cried out in the temple, teaching and saying, “You both know Me and know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know. NASUThere are two different persons in this verse, one that was sent…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2010,23:16)I read it, and…..?The Son is called Jehovah in Zech 14.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2010,22:20)Hi Kathi,I thought you said you were satisfied that Cyrus was the arm in one case.  Maybe I misunderstood?  The arm is the might, not another person or being.I don't think Jesus just hung out after creation either.  But I don't think he was his Father's “errand boy”.  There were many other servants around for…[Read more]