Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2010,01:01)Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2010,00:50)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2010,16:37)Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2010,00:27)Yea, it's because I seek agreement and continuity in the body of Christ, while others don't; (Philip.1:15)EDYou seek no such thing and the words in your post prove it.You just proved my point! W…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 01 2010,18:51)Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2010,10:04)Roo,The angel told Mary that the Son's name would be Jesus, and the angel is the messenger of God and Jesus means Jehovah Saves, does it not?  Isn't Jesus' Father, God, and therefore God gave His Son the name 'Jesus.'  Mary and Joseph did not come up with His n…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2010,00:04)Hi Kathi,You said;Quote Actually, I don't think that it matters all that much as long as you realize that the Father is greater than the Son and the Son is greater than all the rest.  Isn't that the main thing?That, plus the knowledge we are to only worship God Almighty.  If Jesus is the lesser “God” as you c…[Read more]

Hello,This might help understand Col 1:15, just read the verses here and see the definitions of firstborn and creation:Deut 21:17 NETRather, he must acknowledge the son of the less loved wife as firstborn and give him the double portion of all he has, for that son is the beginning of his father’s procreative power – to him should go the right of …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2010,22:06)Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2010,10:15)Can Jehovah have an offspring begotten by Him before time and give Him His name, Jehovah.  That doesn't make the offspring Jehovah the same Jehovah that gave Him life.Hi Kathi,But they didn't name him Zacharias.  Can you find one person in the entire Bible who DOES have t…[Read more]

t8,Can Jehovah have an offspring begotten by Him before time and give Him His name, Jehovah. That doesn't make the offspring Jehovah the same Jehovah that gave Him life. I think this is possible and Gen 18 speaks of a Jehovah that is seen walking and talking with Abraham. This same offspring Jehovah becomes Jehovah Saves as the name Jesus…[Read more]

Roo,The angel told Mary that the Son's name would be Jesus, and the angel is the messenger of God and Jesus means Jehovah Saves, does it not? Isn't Jesus' Father, God, and therefore God gave His Son the name 'Jesus.' Mary and Joseph did not come up with His name.

Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2010,07:30)Hi SF,I really appreciate that you took your time on this and didn't just answer without really thinking about it.  Thanks!You said:Quote Conclusion, Paul is telling me that Jesus is the Creator of the world, and that He is God himself.  I understand that creation was carried out by both the Father and the S…[Read more]

Well roo,You are correct that creation was by the Son's hands…but by the Father's word. The Son was the master craftsman as the Outstretched Arm of the Lord. All things are from the Father, by the Son. It isn't that hard. As parents we give the word and our kids carry it out. It is not difficult. I bring the supplies for the project, my…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2010,09:41)Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2010,16:32)Hi Mike,What would you think if Jesus was called Jehovah Saves, or Jehovah our Righteous?  Do you think that those names would fit Him?Jer 23:5-65 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper,…[Read more]

Wj,Quote Your theory about the definition of ginomai “is a coming into being in a 'completed sense', not an incompleted sense” is wrong!Well, obviously we disagree here.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2010,11:32)Quote (Lightenup @ May 25 2010,16:19)Hi Kathi,Hope your trip is going well.Do you have confusion about Rev?  Sometimes Jehovah is called the Lord God in Rev.  Do you think just because it says “lord” it must be Jesus?  All you need to know is that ANYTIME it says “God” in Rev, it refers to our ONLY God, Je…[Read more]

WJ,You ask:Quote The word “everything” means everything including time, space, matter and light, right?Direct your attention to Col 1 to help you understand what the everything is…everything IN heaven and ON earth…and we know from the context that the Father and the Son are already in existence and not included in the everything created.Col…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 30 2010,02:53)Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2010,16:07)Take your time SF.  Thanks for your consideration on the matter.Blessings!I took alot of thinking into this. First born of creation- i think this should be a thread.Quote 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:   15Who is the i…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2010,23:39)Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 31 2010,16:11)Quote (t8 @ May 31 2010,13:05)Let me say that a first-born is literally a first-born and has certain privileges as a result.David was described as a “first born” (ps 89) and yet he was the literal last born of Jesse. There goes that theory….Hi AllThe view of some is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2010,23:46)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 01 2010,15:42)LUIt doesn't matter because verse 2 says the earth and the waters already existed before day one!Therefore the “nothing came into existence without him” John 1:3 includes the light of the first day!I agree with Keith, Kathi.Water was present at the time.  Water…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2010,23:42)Quote (Lightenup @ May 31 2010,23:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2010,23:09)Hi Kathi,That sounded so good….for a minute.  Then I remembered that God created light through Jesus, right?  Isn't light one of the “all things in existence”? Good night Kathi.  I will pray for understanding and for the ri…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2010,23:09)Hi Kathi,That sounded so good….for a minute.  Then I remembered that God created light through Jesus, right?  Isn't light one of the “all things in existence”? Good night Kathi.  I will pray for understanding and for the right words and scriptures needed to share that understanding with others.peace and lo…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 31 2010,15:03)Hi ALL,Very quickly im late to work, i usually respond late at night. Note: i have breifly read most of your responses. Most of you are off topic. Let me be clear. The devil fell period.  He is evil.  Adam knew God, and also fell.  Lets not ignore scripture.Jodi you ignore scriputre alot, if anything yo…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2010,22:47)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 01 2010,14:38)T8………The term “firstborn” still references a Position even if you apply it to a literial first born son. Jesus could not have (become) the First Born Son of GOD unless He recieved it after his berth through an adoption process, because he would already have been…[Read more]