Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 09 2010,16:33)Quote (Lightenup @ June 10 2010,08:19)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 09 2010,11:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2010,01:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,23:07)Jesus became the second Adam when He came in the flesh.KathiAgreed, and thats when he became the “Monogenes' Son, and was “ginomai” (came into…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 09 2010,16:51)Quote (Lightenup @ June 10 2010,08:16)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 09 2010,09:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,23:07)Jesus became the second Adam when He came in the flesh.KathiAgreed, and thats when he became the “Monogenes' Son, and was “ginomai” (came into existence as man) made flesh, (John 1:14 -…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 08 2010,02:59)Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,15:57)Hi SF,Thanks for your reply.  It was not as I had hoped.  I was looking at commentaries today about the John 12 'arm' and some see it as the gospel of Christ, some see it as the power and miracles of Christ, some see it as Christ, so there isn't an agreement there e…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 09 2010,11:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2010,01:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,23:07)Jesus became the second Adam when He came in the flesh.KathiAgreed, and thats when he became the “Monogenes' Son, and was “ginomai” (came into existence as man) made flesh, (John 1:14 – Phil 2:6-8) and after his ressurction…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 09 2010,09:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,23:07)Jesus became the second Adam when He came in the flesh.KathiAgreed, and thats when he became the “Monogenes' Son, and was “ginomai” (came into existence as man) made flesh, (John 1:14 – Phil 2:6-8) and after his ressurction is when he became the “firstborn”, (having…[Read more]

Nick,The fact that you think it is ludicrous is keeping you from seeing something very important, imo.You say that God sent His Son Yeshua and so does Zech 2 but God is called the Jehovah of hosts and Yeshua is called Jehovah in that chapter.1 Corinthians 12:3 (New American Standard Bible) 3Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking (A)by…[Read more]

Nick,Can you say that Jesus is Jehovah, the one that the Jehovah of hosts has sent? Zech 2

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 08 2010,18:21)Quote (Lightenup @ June 09 2010,07:06)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 08 2010,14:43)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 09 2010,01:45)Can you understand that in every instance you give, someone who is not the firstborn (the one born first) is APPOINTED with the rights of the firstborn (the one born first).  Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2010,22:38)Quote (karmarie @ June 09 2010,12:41)I loved Ignatius.Hi KarmarieAnd I love you for these posts!   Mainly for this part:  But our Physician is the Only true God, the unbegotten and unapproachable, the Lord of all, the Father and Begetter of the only-begotten Son. We have also as a Physician the Lord our G…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 08 2010,17:23)KathiQuote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,16:05)Your claiming that Adam was 'virgin born' has no Biblical basis either.This is a bold face lie and you know it!WJWJ,I'm not sure what you are saying is a lie. By your response here, I'm thinking that you aren't claiming that Adam was virgin born, I hope that…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ June 08 2010,21:11)ok im done:)Hi Karmarie,Thanks for putting that up…I'm finding that I have a lot of agreement with Ignatius.

Quote (Arnold @ June 08 2010,17:08)Jesus before time, He was a Spirit Being like He is now, a Spirit Being that was not immortal otherwise He could not have died.  The Scriptures that very seldom someone gives that Jesus came forth from the Father is in Proverbs 8 it starts in verse22 The LORD possessed Me at the beginning of His way, Before His…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2010,16:55)Hi LU, Yes before flesh he was the Spirit, the Word.Good Nick,Tell me if the 'Word' was an it or a he…a thing or a person.

Nick,Neglect of sacred truth will keep you in the dark. The Son is Lord, the Lord that was sent that Zech 2 speaks of. BTW, that 'Lord' that will be sent by the Lord of Hosts in Zech 2 is Jehovah in the Hebrew text. Can YOU say Jesus is Lord? Can you say Jesus is Jehovah? Lord=Jehovah.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2010,16:27)Hi LU, Now the Lord is the Spirit.He is not now according to the flesh.That Spirit of Christ is eternal and inspired the prophetsNick,So, now the Lord is according to the spirit and not according to the flesh. That's fine. Before flesh He was the Firstborn that created all things in heaven and on earth and…[Read more]

Hi Nick,Yeshua is the Jehovah in Zech 2 that Jehovah of Hosts sends. It doesn't have to be so complicated, Nick. Yeshua is also called Jehovah our Righteousness. Yeshua means 'Jehovah saves.' Yeshua told us who gave His own name to Him…His Father, Jehovah.

Well Nick,You are correct in that God is in the saints. Was your 'yes' an answer to this question:”Are all the saints called 'Jehovah?'”

Jesus before time…hmmm, the Bible says that the Firstborn created all things in heaven and on the earth. There is your answer…Jesus was the 'firstborn' before time.Before He became the offspring (branch) of David, He was the root of David. When He became the branch of David, He was still the root of David…100%root and 100% branch all at…[Read more]

Nick,Is God in the saints too? Are all the saints called 'Jehovah?'

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 08 2010,15:28)Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,15:06)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 08 2010,14:43)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 09 2010,01:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2010,21:19)Can you understand that in every instance you give, someone who is not the firstborn (the one born first) is APPOINTED with the rights of…[Read more]