This is very enlightening:I think that James 1:18 is speaking of a begetting by designation first of all mankind and it is not referring to Jesus at all.James 1:1818 Of his own will begat (#616) he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.(#2938)KJVNT:616 a)pokue/w apokueo (ap-ok-oo-eh'-o); from NT:575…[Read more]

It seems here in this verse that what Roo thinks Jesus is, the 'we' in this verse really are and not Jesus:James 1:18NET ©By his sovereign plan he gave us birth 1 through the message of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.NIV ©He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of f…[Read more]

Here is how the NET translates this verse:Psa 105:36He struck down all the firstborn in their land, the firstfruits of their reproductive power.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,20:57)Quote (Lightenup @ June 14 2010,10:26)Mike,Do you see in Zech that Jehovah is saying that He was valued at 30 pieces of silver?Matt 27:9-109 Then that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: “AND THEY TOOK THE THIRTY PIECES OF SILVER, THE PRICE OF THE ONE WHOSE PRICE HAD BEEN SET by the…[Read more]

Nick,Do you have scripture to state that the Word became flesh at the Jordan. What or who was the flesh before the Jordan in your opinion?

SF,Thanks for the info. My son just got his bachelor degree in Psychology and wants to get his Master's degree in school counseling. What kind of institute do you want to start? You sound very ambitious…it is good that you have all sorts of things that you have in mind to do. Do what God wants and you will do well.Bless you!

WJ and Roo,You have discussed so many points you make my head spin. Pick your main one and let's start there…please!

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2010,22:51)Quote (Lightenup @ June 15 2010,14:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2010,20:46)Hi All,Kathi had posted the Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 A.D.  The words “begotten of the Father before all worlds” are definitely in it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed#cite_note-7Roo said:Quote Kathi is not paying…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2010,22:32)Quote (Lightenup @ June 15 2010,14:25)Mike,My response did not directly address your point, it indirectly addressed it.  The Son is God over His kingdom and that is the point.  If you are transferred into the kingdom of His Son as Col 1 suggests, then He is your God in His kingdom.Col 1:13-1413 For He r…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2010,20:46)Hi All,Kathi had posted the Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 A.D.  The words “begotten of the Father before all worlds” are definitely in it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed#cite_note-7Roo said:Quote Kathi is not paying attention to my posts. She is really slipping up big time lately. The excerpt she…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2010,19:23)Quote (Lightenup @ June 14 2010,14:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,21:06)Quote (Lightenup @ June 14 2010,09:59)Can you just come to terms that the Son is YOUR Mighty god/God who has a God?Sorry Kathi,My God doesn't have a God He answers to.  Give it up, girl.   mikeMike,I beg to differ…Heb 1 s…[Read more]

Here is what the Strong's number's means according to the Biblesoft program that I use:From Heb 1:5…begottenNT:1080 genna/w gennao (ghen-nah'-o); from a variation of NT:1085; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate:KJV – bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of,…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ June 13 2010,21:54)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 14 2010,15:49)Hi KM, Check their CVsok, but I also quoted the bible, and Matthetes to Diognetus, so it says in Collosians 1 that He was firstborn of all creation and also firstborn of the dead.Hi karmarie,God gave me some more insight about the 'firstborn over all creation' and…[Read more]

Ok, So God has enlightened me more as to what can help us all to come to an understanding of what 'firstborn' in Col 1 means.Here is the context:1:15 27 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation, 1:16 for all things in heaven and on earth were created by him – all things, whether visible or invisible, whether thrones o…[Read more]

Nick,The Spirit of Christ was and is and is to come…

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2010,22:49)Hi LU, The Spirit of Christ was.Nick,That is what my grammar book calls a sentence fragment

Nick,So you agree, the Spirit of Christ was in Him when the Word became flesh. Great! I agree that His Spirit became united with His Father's Spirit when He was filled with the Spirit of God, then He died and His Spirit went back to the Father, and 3 days later was returned to His resurrected body which was then glorified. He and His Father's…[Read more]

Nick,Our sonship, yes, but His sonship is from ancient times…beyond the horizon.

Nick,So you honestly think that Christ was born in the flesh without an innerman?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,21:06)Quote (Lightenup @ June 14 2010,09:59)Can you just come to terms that the Son is YOUR Mighty god/God who has a God?Sorry Kathi,My God doesn't have a God He answers to.  Give it up, girl.   mikeMike,I beg to differ…Heb 1 somethingBut of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter o…[Read more]