Thanks again Kittey! If you feel led, please tell us more about you in the getting to know you thread, found here:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….34;st=0Blessings,Kathi

Quote (Kittey @ July 11 2010,21:24)Quote (Lightenup @ June 24 2010,01:35)Hi Irene,I appreciate your prayers so much and your concern.  I am guessing that most do not check this topic unfortunately.  I really could have used all the prayers that I could get.I am sure you will be glad to hear that my dad is no longer suffering and is safe in the a…[Read more]

Hi Mike,Do you think that the earth, created by God, was made out of something that always existed? How about the Son, was He made out of something that always existed?Just wondering what you think here. Thanks!

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 07 2010,14:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,23:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 07 2010,01:55)Sure if you believe the Father has a womb and that is what the prophetic psalm is saying.Hi WJ,You and Jack get so hung up on this stuff.  I know you have to believe that anything is possible for the Father, for your…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ July 07 2010,20:33)I can  hardly believe this – YET ANOTHER THREAD on Begotten?Yeah, the same set of twowho?The ttthree that always doTwins who are onewhen will this be doneThis quest for 'begotten'Hi JA,Yes, another thread about 'begotten' which shows that it is very controversial and the different views here about this topic,…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 07 2010,10:22)LU………..Nick is not wrong , Like us Jesus had a Physical Berth and a Heavenly Berth, One took place when He was Born through the women Mary , the other was at the Jordan when he recieved the Holy Spirit and was then sent into the world to preach the Gospel of the kingdom of God. People try to make a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,23:26)Hi LU, At the Jordan. That sonship we can follow him into.Nick,I disagree, we don't become a son the way that He did.

Mike and Rokka,I agree with you two and see no reason that God the Father couldn't have asexually reproduced His very own offspring from His womb, whatever that means to someone who is God. Perfect begets perfect…the difference, one is very Father and one is very Son. The Father is the source of the Son and not the other way around which is…[Read more]

Wow, thanks guys for your kind words. I was writing about the last week with my dad in the “Prayer for Others” section and guess ya'll didn't see it there. I am doing a little better but I was a tearful, broken hearted mess for a while. God comforts the broken hearted!Love you guys… Anyway…back to the topic of when the Son was…[Read more]

Hi Keith,I buried my dad just over a week ago so my holiday was the first without him…I am celebrating his freedom though.Regarding the verse “I have begotten thee from the womb before the morning,” there are many who place this begetting before the ages, even of the church fathers.Thanks for your input.

Thanks JA for your thoughts. I do not think that the 'day-star' is referring to satan in this passage. If satan was born of God instead of created of God then we would read that satan had the very nature of God. He bears the title of god but not the nature or God. Also, if the passage was about the Son 'eclipsing' another one born of God then…[Read more]

You are welcome Nick. He is

Irene, Happyman, and karmarie thanks for all your prayers. We buried my dad yesterday. I posted a poem about him in the Poetry thread in the “About Faith” section.Today I took my mom to buy her first computer…a new start for her. I suppose that I will need prayer for her to learn about the computer and that I am a good teacher seeing that she…[Read more]

Hello,Yesterday my family buried my dear, wonderful, one-of-a-kind father. He had decided to stop his kidney dialysis treatments and let nature take its course because of his hope of eternal life and he was just plain tired of being incredibly weak and not feeling good. He missed one dialysis appointment and about 13 hours later…my sister and…[Read more]

Hi Irene,I appreciate your prayers so much and your concern. I am guessing that most do not check this topic unfortunately. I really could have used all the prayers that I could get.I am sure you will be glad to hear that my dad is no longer suffering and is safe in the arms of Jesus. He peacefully died at 1:38 am last night and there will…[Read more]

t8,Quote 1 John 5:20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.Some people say that this verse is saying that Jesus is the true God spoken of in scripture. But if that was the case, i…[Read more]

Thanks Irene, I know what you are saying and my dad knows that we all support his decision. He made his decision tonight and will be going off of dialysis probably next week and I feel kinda yuck.Bless you,Kathi

Hi Irene and Happyman,Keep praying. I'm here at my parent's home and we had a visit from a friend who is a Hospice nurse tonight and we all took communion as a family with the pastor that was here. My dad is strongly considering going off dialysis…I'm not sure this should happen, his mind is still great! Pray for other options to help his…[Read more]

Here are comments from Calvin, Matthew Henry, and Wesley about the firstborn being begotten before creation:Quote http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom42.v.ii.iii.htmlThe first-born of every creature. The reason of this appellation is immediately added — For in him all things are created, as he is, three verses afterwards, called the f…[Read more]

I'd like to see a debate between Mike and Paul…that would be interesting!