Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2010,15:47)Hi LU, Logic does not cut it.God was IN ChristNick,Rom 1:2020 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. NASUWe can understand things through what has…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ July 14 2010,16:08)Quote (Lightenup @ July 15 2010,07:34)If God has the nature of a god and He begat a Son of the same nature, then the Son has the nature of a god and the Son that is a god by nature became flesh, then a god became flesh.  This would be Emmanuel…the god with us.  The Son is god by nature, but God of G…[Read more]

And the Word of God is the Firstborn over all creation. The Firstborn is the Son of God.

If God has the nature of a god and He begat a Son of the same nature, then the Son has the nature of a god and the Son that is a god by nature became flesh, then a god became flesh. This would be Emmanuel…the god with us. The Son is god by nature, but God of God…capital G…because of His Father's exalting His position to the same level…at…[Read more]

Nick,If He was powerless before Jordan how did He create all things in heaven and on earth?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2010,13:45)Hi LU, Jesus was not anointed with the Spirit till the Jordan. Now that he has died and been raised the Lord is the Spirit.In the days of his flesh he offered up supplications with loud crying and tears to the one able to save him from death and he was heard because of his piety.Though he was a son he…[Read more]

David,Jesus Himself does not call the Holy Spirit 'Mother.' Are you discrediting Him as you discredit others that don't refer to the Holy Spirit as the Mother? If He doesn't give the Holy Spirit the honor of the title 'Mother,' isn't that a good enough reason for us to not call the Holy Spirit 'Mother' also? Please address this point.…[Read more]

In human terms, my parents are my root but not my offspring. The Son of God is both, the root as creator (by Him all things were created, Col.1) and the offspring as He became also the Son of Man.

Nick and Gene,The Son of God is the root of David, David is the stem, and the Son of Man is the offspring of David. Jesus is both the Son of God and the Son of Man. He is both 100% root and 100% offspring. 100% God of God, 100% man of man.

Nick and Gene,A plan of a future being does not actively give anything. The Spirit of Christ was a being and not a plan of a being who gave David his beginning. A root is not a plan of a plant but the living foundation of a plant.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 08 2010,09:09)Quote (Lightenup @ July 08 2010,15:16)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 07 2010,10:22)LU………..Nick is not wrong , Like us Jesus had a Physical Berth and a Heavenly Berth, One took place when He was Born through the women Mary , the other was at the Jordan when he recieved the Holy Spirit and was then sent…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 13 2010,20:46)Quote (davidbfun @ July 13 2010,20:27)Quote (Lightenup @ July 14 2010,19:16)Hi Davidbfun,I agree that the Son is the firstborn of all creation which naturally makes Him preeminent.  I do believe that the meaning of the 'firstborn' is the first procreative act of the Father…He is the first fruit of the…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 13 2010,20:27)Quote (Lightenup @ July 14 2010,19:16)Hi Davidbfun,I agree that the Son is the firstborn of all creation which naturally makes Him preeminent.  I do believe that the meaning of the 'firstborn' is the first procreative act of the Father…He is the first fruit of the Father (before creation).  I do not c…[Read more]

Hi Davidbfun,I agree that the Son is the firstborn of all creation which naturally makes Him preeminent. I do believe that the meaning of the 'firstborn' is the first procreative act of the Father…He is the first fruit of the Father (before creation). I do not consider the Son as the first 'creative' act, but the first 'procreative' act. The…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 13 2010,16:28)Quote (Lightenup @ July 07 2010,23:55)Mike and Rokka,I agree with you two and see no reason that God the Father couldn't have asexually reproduced His very own offspring from His womb, whatever that means to someone who is God.  Perfect begets perfect…the difference, one is very Father and one is very Son.…[Read more]

Quote (Kittey @ July 13 2010,16:53)I have been praying that God take care of my finances. I recently learned that God says seek me early and you will find me. So I did. I woke up early in the morning one day last week at around 4:30am (before the sun rose) and prayed (I also had been praying days before). I thanked God. And asked him to bless me…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ July 13 2010,16:46)LU,That is really funny — When, before, has anyone ever seen JA use a smiley in this forum —-?I am creased up like crumpled paper… Beware JA,You know what happens to crumpled up paper, don't you? Nice simile, btw.

Could some one that was begotten 'before the ages' also be considered being begotten 'during eternity.' Also, if someone is 'from eternity' doesn't that mean that eternity existed first? Is eternity a period of time albeit time unlike the time we know with 24 hours/day and 12 months/year, in other words…could one thing happen after another or…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 13 2010,05:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 13 2010,14:57)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2010,14:41)Hi MB,Being in the form of God is not being God is it?Not THE God Nick.But God is spirit, man is not.  I take it to mean, “being in a spirit form, he emptied himself and became in a man's form”.mikeYes that is an obvious take. I tend to…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ July 12 2010,05:57)Kathi,I am so sorry that I did not know to pray for you, I've been just hitting a few topics lately. My Dad died nearly 10 years ago now but as with you I look forwards to our reunion. Lord I ask you to encourage my sister, let her know we do care for her and share in her grief, we thank you that we do not…[Read more]