Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 11 2010,16:33)Hi Lu,And what have you learnt from Ignatius that you could not have learnt from Scriptures?And what have you learnt from Ignatius that another has not disputed?The teachings of these others is for the ones at that time – that is why there is so much controversy over what they said or didn't say, did or didn't…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,05:28)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 11 2010,03:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,12:04)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,18:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,07:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,11:21)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,10:36)TO ALL:Even the Muslims reject Kathi's and Mike's assertion that Christ…[Read more]

Hi JA,you say:Quote First up – I don't need to read what Ignatious, Tertullian, Erasmus, or Prosmetus said. They aren't in the Scriptures – so all that they said is pointless – might as well believe Stephen Hawkin or that one who claimed he found the secret of life and it's evolution – Darwin, or someone like that was it?If what John's disciple,…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 11 2010,03:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,12:04)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,18:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,07:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,11:21)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,10:36)TO ALL:Even the Muslims reject Kathi's and Mike's assertion that Christ was begotten by a sexual cat of…[Read more]

Hi Rokkaman,What truth did you get? Freely receive, freely give

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2010,15:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,15:38)Keith, so then you would say that the Father came into being from Jesus…just saying if you take the stand that nothing means absolutely nothing.KathiNo because verse 1 and 2 of John 1:1 makes it clear that Jesus was with the Father before all things. So the Father…[Read more]

Roo,Day 3 is in the beginning.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2010,19:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2010,07:56)As far as Mike, I don't see how you can say he has shown fruit unless you mean that fruit is the same as truth and because his “truth” lines up with yours then he has shown much truth.Calling people idiots and jerks is not fruit at all.Hi WJ,I believe you are…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,18:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,07:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,11:21)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,10:36)TO ALL:Even the Muslims reject Kathi's and Mike's assertion that Christ was begotten by a sexual cat of God:Quote In the Qur'an we find various passages protesting against a notion of…[Read more]

Keith, so then you would say that the Father came into being from Jesus…just saying if you take the stand that nothing means absolutely nothing.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,11:21)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,10:36)TO ALL:Even the Muslims reject Kathi's and Mike's assertion that Christ was begotten by a sexual cat of God:Quote In the Qur'an we find various passages protesting against a notion of “begetting” for God, for example He begetteth not, nor is he begotten.And there is…[Read more]

Keith,I think you have to look at the context. Tertullian puts it well:Quote I will therefore not speak of gods at all, nor of lords, but I shall follow the apostle; so that if the Father and the Son, are alike to be invoked, I shall call the Father “God,” and invoke Jesus Christ as “Lord.”79177917 Rom. i. 7. But when Christ alone (is mention…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2010,13:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2010,18:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 09 2010,08:44)As you can tell, to be made finished is one of the definitions.  Now let's see how the heavens and the earth were not yet finished until after day one when Light came.Hi Kathi,I can live with that.  Let's see if anyone else h…[Read more]

Roo,Coming into being means a finished existence, not an unfinished existence. Foundations were being laid when the seas were being marked out, day 3. Read Proverbs 8.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2010,14:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,14:27)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,13:38)Kathi said;Quote Would someone like to fill the roo in on the fact that asexual reproduction means without sex.Would someone like to fill Kathi in on the fact that Christ was begotten at His resurrection and this was not a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2010,14:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,14:21)Keith,I do not believe that the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world.I don't care what the trinitarian forefathers thought, I am more interested in what the early Christians thought.  The early Christians say that the Son was begotten before the ages,…[Read more]

Roo,I know Christ is divine and also man. When did the Son become the divine Son? You don't think He was the divine Son before the incarnation? The church father's do and I have shown you over and over. For example:150 AD Justin Martyr “God speaks in the creation of man with the very same design, in the following words: 'Let us make man after…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,13:38)Kathi said;Quote Would someone like to fill the roo in on the fact that asexual reproduction means without sex.Would someone like to fill Kathi in on the fact that Christ was begotten at His resurrection and this was not a “reproduction” of any kind? While you're at it please fill Kathi in on the fact that…[Read more]

Keith,I do not believe that the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world.I don't care what the trinitarian forefathers thought, I am more interested in what the early Christians thought. The early Christians say that the Son was begotten before the ages, one adds without passion ( I assume that meant without sex). I do believe they…[Read more]

Jack,No one before God the Father was formed and no other God, (a source of all things) came into being. The Son was not the source of Himself but came from the source. God is declaring that there is no other unbegotten God and anything coming into being would not be an unbegotten God like He was. The unbegotten God was the only true God and…[Read more]