Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,12:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,23:04)Our spirit can be grieved, ruled over, troubled, etc.  That doesn't mean that our spirit is a separate person or a female essence.Kathi,Are you not comprised of spirit and body?  When you die will your body go to heaven to be judged?Why does Paul say that the spirit is w…[Read more]

Why thank you Mike!

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 30 2010,20:44)All,It is good to see the responses here and how you all “feel” versus “know” about the Holy Spirit:Mike says “it” is inanimate because it is like casa in Spanish.  See for yourself:Act 5:3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to LIE TO the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price…[Read more]

Hi Gene,I heard from Nick through facebook. He is well and has no current intention of returning. May God bless him with something better to fill his time! He says thanks for asking.

Hi Mike,Justin Martyr isn't going to jump the hurdle either:”Our teacher of these things is Jesus Christ, who also was born for this purpose, and was crucified under Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judæa, in the times of Tiberius Cæsar; and that we reasonably worship Him, having learned that He is the Son of the true God Himself, and holding Him i…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2010,21:47)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 30 2010,06:58)Here is my problem, you equating Satan with Jesus. and your saying both are callled God but are not God. that still defeats your purpose of why there should be ANY other God but THE ONLY GOD. It Goes back to the question, What is the Son of God to you, another God…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 29 2010,14:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2010,21:55)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 26 2010,15:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2010,01:14)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 26 2010,14:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 26 2010,14:37)Keith,That is what we are trying to tell you.  The Father is the one true God.So Jesus is not the “True…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 29 2010,00:29)t8,Your post was spot on.Terra,WJ does see the truth but is afraid to accept it because it would mean alienation from his peers. Simple as!LU,As can be seen from the numerous quotes: Many people had many ideas about 'Jesus' but yet there is only one answer, one true answer.Start by asking, 'What is God?'Then…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 21 2010,05:56)This whole idea about God, begatting another God would mean that the second God was not the only true one by reason of that position already being filled. The LORD thy God is one God.However, the word 'theos' can be used to not only identify, but qualify or talk of ones nature or office.So God could well begat…[Read more]

Justin Martyr again on the unbegotten God:Quote Chapter XXV.—False Gods abandoned by Christians.And, secondly, because we—who, out of every race of men, used to worship Bacchus the son of Semele, and Apollo the son of Latona (who in their loves with men did such things as it is shameful even to mention), and Proserpine and Venus (who were mad…[Read more]

Justin Martyr states that the Word is the firstborn of God, produced without sexual union.Quote And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth (i.e., first-born.) of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 27 2010,22:51)Kathi,Regardless of whether Theos is a name or not, isn't Theos (God) in your context supposedly representing the “One Supreme Being”? Otherwise, how would one determine if we are talking about the one and only true God or just any other god?I don't think that the word 'theos' by itself represents the one…[Read more]

Justin Martyr speaks of the unbegotten God twice here:Quote Chapter XIV.—The demons misrepresent Christian doctrine.For we forewarn you to be on your guard, lest those demons whom we have been accusing should deceive you, and quite divert you from reading and understanding what we say. For they strive to hold you their slaves and servants; and s…[Read more]

Justin Martyr wrote that they reasonable worship Jesus because they have come to know that He is the Son of the True God and they give the Son second place and the spirit third place.Quote Chapter XIII.—Christians serve God rationally.What sober-minded man, then, will not acknowledge that we are not atheists, worshipping as we do the Maker of t…[Read more]

Here is a quote from Tatian written in the second century that I thought would interest someone. Tatian says that man was made in the likeness of God and thus made to be immortal but changed to be mortal when man chose to disobey God and make the first angel God instead. He calls the first angel, the first begotten of the Logos. That first…[Read more]

Here we have Tatian who writes about the Logos coming into being and is the first-begotten work of the Father.  He didn't think that the logos was always a separate person but that it came into being.  I have said that I believe the firstborn of all creation was the first fruit of the Father.  This affirms that calling the Logos the &#…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 27 2010,17:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2010,14:27)Prof,Also, you asked why I do not post my own thoughts.  You can go back to review my posts since February 2008 and see that I have only posted the church father's thoughts since this summer, about when you came here.  I have already posted my thoughts, with scripture a n…[Read more]

Prof-What an assumption you made.Quote I asked her to remove the ambiguous term “God” (Theos) and place YHWH or her father's name to see how the statement appeared and she didn't. Why? Because it doesn't have the same “deception-nature”.I didn't play your game because you were not comparing apples with apples. The word theos is not meant to…[Read more]

Shimmer,Those are important truths. Hang on to them.

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 26 2010,15:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2010,01:14)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 26 2010,14:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 26 2010,14:37)Keith,That is what we are trying to tell you.  The Father is the one true God.So Jesus is not the “True God”?WJ  Keith,Try to grasp this…Jesus is not the true UNbegotten God but He i…[Read more]