Here is some words from Cyril about the way the Word of God is said to have been emptied:Quote 5. In what way the Word of God is said to have been emptied.God the Word full by nature and in every way Perfect, and distributing out of His own Fullness His own goods to the creature, we say was emptied: in no wise wronged in His own Proper Nature, nor…[Read more]

More from Cyril regarding the Word of God being very God out of very God and begotten BEFORE the incarnation:Quote Desiring to investigate the Mystery of the economy with flesh of the Only Begotten, we say this, holding true doctrine and right faith, that the Word Himself out of God the Father, Very God out of Very God, the Light That is out of…[Read more]

Here is a quote from Cyril on God, the Word begotten before all ages and implies that as His beginning:Quote 6. How Christ is One.The Divine Paul writes, Though there be gods many and lords many in heaven and in earth, yet to us One God the Father of Whom all things and we of Him, and One Lord Jesus Christ through Whom all things and we through…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2010,23:24)Kathi:Quote Michael,If the blind man was for sure worshiping Jesus as some sort of a divine being, what do you think the Pharisees would have done?  Killed the once blind man?Are you for real?  Let's see, they came running to Jesus to complain about washing hands, eating among sinners, and picking grain on t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2010,22:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 02 2010,14:09)Mike,You want to worship only part of God Almighty, not Him in His fulness which includes a Spirit and a Son.That's a buch of bunk Kathi.The being of God Almighty does NOT include the separate being of His Son. mikeMike,I think this is just misunderstanding. The separate…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2010,22:17)Kathi:Quote The NWT translates proskuneo as giving obeisance when it is being given to the Son because they see the Son as a created being, not as a procreated being and not of the same nature as the Father.  Therefore they will translate accordingly.This is something I would expect to hear from Jack, not…[Read more]

Mike,You want to worship only part of God Almighty, not Him in His fulness which includes a Spirit and a Son.

Dennison,We are told that the Spirit is 'of' the Father here:Matt 10:18-2018 and you will even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 “But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say. 20 “For it is not…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 01 2010,02:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2010,09:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,21:39)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,15:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2010,14:14)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,12:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,23:04)Our spirit can be grieved, ruled over, troubled, etc.  That doesn't mean that…[Read more]

Mike,The NWT translates proskuneo as giving obeisance when it is being given to the Son because they see the Son as a created being, not as a procreated being and not of the same nature as the Father. Therefore they will translate accordingly. I thought that you see the Son as divine and as the procreated being and of the same nature as the…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 01 2010,16:46)I like the part where Mike says, 'The single soldier who was just doing his job'.Just one righteous soldier who triumphed over his companions and won the praise and glory of his King…yet it is the King alone who is worshipped.Honor the , Worship .LU, is this not what Scriptures says?Hi JA,Where does the…[Read more]

Keith,The Athanasian Creed tells all that the Father is not begotten:”Athanasian Creed…21.The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten…”It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the creed is saying that the Father is unbegotten. We know that the Son calls His Father the only true God and therefore the 'unbegotten God.'…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 01 2010,10:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,21:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 30 2010,11:50)KathiQuote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2010,11:49)“I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.” Isaiah 45:5This view is different than the current trinitarian view of three Gods in one triune being.This is a…[Read more]

If you want to used David as an example, think King Saul, David and Goliath. Who killed Goliath? Saul or David? Did King Saul win the battle over the Philistines? Yes! Did David win the battle over the Philistines? Yes! Both are credited for the victory and are both lifted up. Who would have recognized Saul for the victory and not David…[Read more]

The Coach (the Father) didn't win the game without the Player (the Son) Mike!The Coach and the Player created the world!The Coach and the Player are our Savior!The Coach did not create the world apart from the Player!The Coach did not save us from eternal damnation apart from the Player!They both deserve the one trophy!  They both have the same…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,21:39)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,15:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2010,14:14)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,12:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,23:04)Our spirit can be grieved, ruled over, troubled, etc.  That doesn't mean that our spirit is a separate person or a female essence.Kathi,Are you not comprised…[Read more]

Actually Mike, I believe ALL translators that capitalize the G regularly for the Father God, also capitalize the G in John 1:18 when translating monogenes theos, except the NWT.You can't worship the Son without the Father glowing with approval, imo.  You can't worship one and not the other.  It is like giving the coach the trophy but not also t…[Read more]

Mike,Scripture clearly says that Jesus is the only begotten God and in another place that He is our one Lord. You worship God, the Father and I worship God, the Father too, it's just that I believe that to worship the Father would also include the worship of His Son.

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,15:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 01 2010,14:14)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 31 2010,12:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2010,23:04)Our spirit can be grieved, ruled over, troubled, etc.  That doesn't mean that our spirit is a separate person or a female essence.Kathi,Are you not comprised of spirit and body?  When you die w…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 30 2010,11:50)KathiQuote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2010,11:49)“I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.” Isaiah 45:5This view is different than the current trinitarian view of three Gods in one triune being.This is a misrepresentation of the truth. Read the Athanasian Creed. There are not 3 Gods…[Read more]