Mike-These are YOUR words:”And “worship” IS due him as THE SON OF GOD, not AS GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. ” So if I worship Him as the Son of God why do you say satan is gaining victory through me and not Eusebius?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 04 2010,20:36)Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 05 2010,11:20)Satan sought to be worshipped as God and failed and fell. Now you seek to replace Satan with Jesus to 'tempt' him to also fail and fall.Jesus spoke in response to Satan, 'It is written: thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and only to him do sacred service'.Why do you seek…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2010,00:08)Kathi:Quote The Jews wouldn't have killed the Son if He was just being honored like David.  The Son was being worshiped as divine and they KILLED Him.  Is that really what you think it was about?  You are wrong, for in one breath, you say, “What do you thing those Pharisees should have done when they saw Je…[Read more]

Mike,”Worship Jehovah your God and serve Him ONLY”Because of that…I worship HIS Son also.Because of that… I serve the Son also.Worshiping the Father is the driving force to worship the Son as the Son of God and not some of the bizillion idols that by nature are no gods at all.We are to obey the Father and that too is a form of worship.John…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 04 2010,16:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 04 2010,10:24)I like to add these 'unbegotten God' terms that I find in the writings of church father's.  This excerpt is talking about 1 Cor 8 where Paul is discussing  how there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is one God, the Father…and one Lord, Jesus C…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 04 2010,19:53)Kathi,Please explain what you mean by “Some become theos by grace and some by nature (the only begotten theos)”.Did you just make that up? When did anyone BECOME God by grace (Who / When)?andWhen did anyone BECOME God by Nature (Who / When)?JA,OK, because you said please Read this about those called theos…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 04 2010,19:50)WJ, Kathi,Terms of reference (1): ” God – The Supreme Being”There is no such thing as a “Begotten God”. A God is not begotten. A God IS.Terms of reference (2): ” God – A Powerful and Mighty Person, A Hero, One invested with overarching Authority, one who is above all in his Class”Here, such “a God” can become,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 04 2010,20:21)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 05 2010,06:37)So how about that Mike, your buddy Eusebius says that worship is due Him as Son of God.Hi Kathi,And “worship” IS due him as THE SON OF GOD, not AS GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF.  Just like “worship” was due King David.  I've already showed you it's the same word….it's up to Y…[Read more]

Mike,Where have I ever said that I worship the Son AS I worship the Father? I worship the Son as the only begotten God and I worship the Father as the only unbegotten God…can you not get that? You admit that it is ok to 'worship' Him as the Son of God…that is what I do!!! When are you and JA going to 'worship' Him as the Son of God? He is…[Read more]

JA,Some become theos by grace and some by nature (the only begotten theos), some become theos but are only idols. Worship the theos which is theos by nature.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 02 2010,22:32)Kathi:Quote Oh look-ey here Mike, words from Cyril of Alexandria,As if the words of Cyril are said to be inspired of God.  Does this sound like anything God ever said in scripture:God, not some man like us took hold of Godhead, and He is Himself made like unto us, and is called our Brother as Man, not we to…[Read more]

JA,I feel that you have great pain to understand this truth that a person begotten of God Himself could be as perfect as a God as the one that beget Him but I believe it to be so. The Son, the only begotten is not in the form of an angel as you suppose, but is in the form of God. He is not the image of the invisible angel, but the image of the…[Read more]

I agree with this:Quote (If any one say that the Father is greater, inasmuch as He is the cause of the Son, we will not contradict this. But this doth not by any means make the Son to be of a different Essence.) http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf114.iv.lxxvii.html

I like to add these 'unbegotten God' terms that I find in the writings of church father's. This excerpt is talking about 1 Cor 8 where Paul is discussing how there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is one God, the Father…and one Lord, Jesus Christ. I think that St. Chrysostom has something worthy to say in his explanation and it…[Read more]

Here is an interesting page written on this subject from the mind of Saint Chrysostom:Quote Arius confesses indeed the Son, but only in word; he says that He is a creature, and much inferior to the Father. And others say that He has not a soul. Seest thou the chariots standing? See then their fall, how he overthrows them all together, and with a…[Read more]

That right JA,There is no such thing as a created God. A begotten God, yes, a created God no.Again, John 1:18 o monogenes theos…only begotten God.

Here Dennison et al, I'll add to your list some scriptures and then some writings of the church fathers. Maybe JA will take note that these are all MEN worshiping Jesus, not just some 'women feeling sentimentally because of Christ's suffering.' Quote Matt 2:11-1211 After coming into the house they saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 03 2010,01:57)LU,There is no such thing as a 'Begotten God'.There is no such thing as a 'Begotten God' in Scriptures…and Scriptures cannot be broken.Please note the use of the 'indefinite article, 'a''. This is very important to as it distinquishes 'the many' from the 'One' ('The Theos', definite article)All the quotes…[Read more]

Oh look-ey here Mike, words from Cyril of Alexandria, and didn't I say something to this effect and you called it my women's intuition or something…Quote Therefore we say that not man was made God, but rather that the Word of God Who was in Equality and Form of the Father was made in emptiness because of: the human nature, for He was emptied in…[Read more]

I'm reading some of Cyril of Alexandria today and I thought this was appropriate here:Quote The Word out of God the Father was begotten in some ineffable way (for beyond all understanding is His Generation, and as befits the Unembodied Nature): yet is That which is begotten conceived of as the Own Offspring of the Generator and Consubstantial with…[Read more]