Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2010,19:25)Hi Kathi,This whole thread I started to diffuse JA's misconceptions all boils down to whether or not the angels were created through Jesus or not.  JA says “no” and the rest of the world (except the non-preexiststers) says “yes”.I know you say “yes”.  JA's other point is that Jesus wasn't “the only begotten S…[Read more]

Mark,If I want to worship the Father in spirit and truth then I see Him as a God who has an 'image' not as a God without an 'image.' The Son is that image. In truth God is not imageless. His image briefly appeared on earth under the name of Jehovah and became flesh as Jehovah Saves (Yeshua).

JA,Unfortunately we are not saying the same thing. I believe that the Son of God was the Son of God always with power before He emptied Himself to become the Son of man and then when the Son of God as the God/Man was exalted after the resurrection, the God/Man was declared to be the Son of God with power this time the Son as the God/Man. He…[Read more]

Thank you Heaven,I did do as you suggest and you have posted there so I am surprised that you suggested it. That would have been a good idea to have added an option for 'no disagreement.'I appreciate ya!

Shimmer, if you have tried and tried then you seem to have a strange perception of you words:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….19;st=0It seems to me that a log is hanging out of your eye and maybe one of your friends can help you with that. Jesus in his meekness and love walked away from stone throwers. He is my example and I see you as a…[Read more]

Interesting Shimmer that you say that because I do not feel that from you.

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 14 2010,13:35)To All,Have I been missing something here.What does Romans 1:3-4 say…That Jesus is declared Son of God according to the Spirit of Holiness, by the RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD.Why have we been missing this for all this time….and all this discussion and debate…and there it was all the time….Mike, what you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 14 2010,04:32)Then you are in conflict with scripture. As stated above, Jesus said to worship God alone, as did the Angel in Revalations. If Jesus is not God then you are in conflict with scripture as it is written. We can go round and round and I know it won't change either of our minds. Also as you stated, you worship the…[Read more]

Shimmer,Your comment was not addressed to me, it did not have my name on it. Irene answered you. I just didn't have anything to say about it. To answer your question about Jesus…I know that Jesus did not hold grudges and He didn't hang around for more stones to be thrown at Him, and He didn't answer every question asked of Him. He mainly…[Read more]

Pierre,Thank you for not interfering, I do appreciate that! I would like to discuss it with anyone that worships Jesus as the Son who also believes that the Son was begotten before the ages though. That WJ does not agree with even though it is in the creeds that he claims to see as scriptural. The majority of Christians that agree with the…[Read more]

Hi William,Good post and I agree but maybe, one thing that I see a little differently. This manifested expression, was 'it' not the Son of God before He became a Son of Man? Otherwise, Mary gave birth to the Son of God and the Son of Man if the Son of God didn't begin as a Son before her conception. Just wondering.

Pierre,If you think that I stumble, then you would have to assume that I think you stumble and teach something not in Bible, like Jesus was created. And I have charged against that teaching to help you. I don't think either of us are actually helping each other though so I have backed off discussing that with some on here. I desire now to…[Read more]

Quote (thehappyman @ Nov. 10 2010,21:39)Beloved ,             May you also pray for me, I am in need of prayer. Our Lord knows already my needs. Where two or more are in the midst. their is strength.                              in Jesus name I seek ,   AmenHappyman,I am wondering how you are doing? You seem like such a caring person and I p…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 13 2010,23:04)Kathi!  Do you believe that the trinity is wrong?  I do.  Do most Churches now believe in the trinity?  I think yes….Go ahead if you want to do this, but leave me out of it….There is no unity here…Irene.Irene,The term 'trinity' means different things to different people. Trinity can simply mean that the Fat…[Read more]

Thanks t8 for your input and I agree with you. I would like to examine some other creeds also. I think that semantics is one of the reasons people struggle with some of the creeds but maybe if some terms are better explained according to their original meaning there wouldn't be such a problem. For instance, the term 'eternally begotten' which…[Read more]

Irene,I think most of us can agree with this creed, not you, but I think you just can't get past the word catholic. Unity of faith is an important goal and I was hoping this creed could help define a unifying faith here.Eph 4:10-1710 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) 11…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 13 2010,22:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2010,13:30)Irene,This is not about saying the Apostle's Creed in church necessarily, it is more about whether it is scriptural.  You should understand the difference of capital and small letters.  You preach that Lord and lord are different and even God and god indicate a difference b…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 13 2010,22:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2010,20:30)Irene,This is not about saying the Apostle's Creed in church necessarily, it is more about whether it is scriptural.  You should understand the difference of capital and small letters.  You preach that Lord and lord are different and even God and god indicate a d…[Read more]

Mark,I also worship Jesus, and the Father and the Spirit but I believe that the Father is the one true God and the Son is the one true God from God as His Son and the Spirit is the Spirit of the Father, given and proceeding from the Son. I consider the Son and Spirit as much a part of the Father as His own arm, as the radiance of His glory, as…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 09 2010,15:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2010,15:11)Does the Father become a stronger God with the Son begotten, yes I would think so.Kathi How can that which is infinite become more infinite? It seems to me that your explanation above means the Father could not be fully God unless he brought birth to a Son through…[Read more]