Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 14 2010,13:35)To All,Have I been missing something here.What does Romans 1:3-4 say…That Jesus is declared Son of God according to the Spirit of Holiness, by the RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD.Why have we been missing this for all this time….and all this discussion and debate…and there it was all the time….Mike, what you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 14 2010,04:32)Then you are in conflict with scripture. As stated above, Jesus said to worship God alone, as did the Angel in Revalations. If Jesus is not God then you are in conflict with scripture as it is written. We can go round and round and I know it won't change either of our minds. Also as you stated, you worship the…[Read more]

Shimmer,Your comment was not addressed to me, it did not have my name on it. Irene answered you. I just didn't have anything to say about it. To answer your question about Jesus…I know that Jesus did not hold grudges and He didn't hang around for more stones to be thrown at Him, and He didn't answer every question asked of Him. He mainly…[Read more]

Pierre,Thank you for not interfering, I do appreciate that! I would like to discuss it with anyone that worships Jesus as the Son who also believes that the Son was begotten before the ages though. That WJ does not agree with even though it is in the creeds that he claims to see as scriptural. The majority of Christians that agree with the…[Read more]

Hi William,Good post and I agree but maybe, one thing that I see a little differently. This manifested expression, was 'it' not the Son of God before He became a Son of Man? Otherwise, Mary gave birth to the Son of God and the Son of Man if the Son of God didn't begin as a Son before her conception. Just wondering.

Pierre,If you think that I stumble, then you would have to assume that I think you stumble and teach something not in Bible, like Jesus was created. And I have charged against that teaching to help you. I don't think either of us are actually helping each other though so I have backed off discussing that with some on here. I desire now to…[Read more]

Quote (thehappyman @ Nov. 10 2010,21:39)Beloved ,             May you also pray for me, I am in need of prayer. Our Lord knows already my needs. Where two or more are in the midst. their is strength.                              in Jesus name I seek ,   AmenHappyman,I am wondering how you are doing? You seem like such a caring person and I p…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 13 2010,23:04)Kathi!  Do you believe that the trinity is wrong?  I do.  Do most Churches now believe in the trinity?  I think yes….Go ahead if you want to do this, but leave me out of it….There is no unity here…Irene.Irene,The term 'trinity' means different things to different people. Trinity can simply mean that the Fat…[Read more]

Thanks t8 for your input and I agree with you. I would like to examine some other creeds also. I think that semantics is one of the reasons people struggle with some of the creeds but maybe if some terms are better explained according to their original meaning there wouldn't be such a problem. For instance, the term 'eternally begotten' which…[Read more]

Irene,I think most of us can agree with this creed, not you, but I think you just can't get past the word catholic. Unity of faith is an important goal and I was hoping this creed could help define a unifying faith here.Eph 4:10-1710 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) 11…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 13 2010,22:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2010,13:30)Irene,This is not about saying the Apostle's Creed in church necessarily, it is more about whether it is scriptural.  You should understand the difference of capital and small letters.  You preach that Lord and lord are different and even God and god indicate a difference b…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 13 2010,22:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2010,20:30)Irene,This is not about saying the Apostle's Creed in church necessarily, it is more about whether it is scriptural.  You should understand the difference of capital and small letters.  You preach that Lord and lord are different and even God and god indicate a d…[Read more]

Mark,I also worship Jesus, and the Father and the Spirit but I believe that the Father is the one true God and the Son is the one true God from God as His Son and the Spirit is the Spirit of the Father, given and proceeding from the Son. I consider the Son and Spirit as much a part of the Father as His own arm, as the radiance of His glory, as…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 09 2010,15:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2010,15:11)Does the Father become a stronger God with the Son begotten, yes I would think so.Kathi How can that which is infinite become more infinite? It seems to me that your explanation above means the Father could not be fully God unless he brought birth to a Son through…[Read more]

Keith,I see 'come into existence,' begin to be, and receive existence. Those identify with the term 'begotten.' What I do not see in 'ginomai' is 'of its kind.' Do you see 'of its kind?'Quote Here is the root words that make Monogenes…”Monos”alone (without a companion), forsaken, destitute of help, alone, only, merely”ginomai”1) to become,…[Read more]

Mark,So how is it that the Word that is God and became flesh says that He did not send Himself? And prays to the Father 'in Heaven?' John 8:4242 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. NASU

Hi Mark,Yes I know and believe that the Word was God but was the Word also with God and from God? Was God with God, two different persons that were both God?

Irene,This is not about saying the Apostle's Creed in church necessarily, it is more about whether it is scriptural. You should understand the difference of capital and small letters. You preach that Lord and lord are different and even God and god indicate a difference but you do not acknowledge that here with Catholic and catholic. You say…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 13 2010,20:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2010,09:28)mikeangel,Do you worship Jesus? Is He literally an only Son of God?  How do you think the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are one?Thanks,KathiYes kathi, I worship Jesus. He was and is the word made flesh. He literally was and is the only human begotten by the sprit of God,…[Read more]

So Irene, Is the OT Catholic also? What about the NT? The vast array of non-Catholic churches use the OT and the NT, is the Bible for all universal churches or just for the Catholics, should we discard the Bible, Irene? Should we discard the truths that are written in the Apostle's Creed because the Catholics believe it? See what you are…[Read more]