theodorej,I completely agree with what you wrote. Amen…I love to agree! Were you excommunicated because of your view on the trinity doctrine? You have me curious to know more about you. I picture you as a sophisticated englishman smoking a pipe…is it true Where do you live? Do you regularly attend a church now or how long has it been…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2010,20:52)Ah, but we are specifically told to honor him.  And we even know that all knees will bow to our King.Now, if only we were told to worship him, I'd be on board with you.  But since we have very clear and explicite orders about who to worship, I will follow my orders like a good soldier. mikeMike,Before the N…[Read more]

But Mike,Do we have explicite orders not to worship Jesus, or the Son of God, ya know, where His name is used? Surely God knew that millions would worship the Son with the Father yet He would only purposely tell us not to worship the angels but not Jesus? Show me where He tells us not to worship His Son like He told us about the angels.

Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 15 2010,06:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2010,09:26)theodorej,I was wondering if these 2 Psalms 47 and 48 were Messianic, I will have to look further but I saw a commentary indicating that they are talking about Jesus.Psalm 47God the King of the Earth.For the choir director. A Psalm of the sons of Korah.    1O (A)clap y…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2010,22:26)Hi Kathi,Why can't you help with Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6 and John 1:3 without bringing the “Jesus is God” thing into play? You can start with your “image of God” scriptures.  No angel was ever said to be the “exact representation” of God Himself, were they?So many angles to attack from, so little me.  I'm a…[Read more]

Mike,And you have very adeptly pointed out to Kathi that if she doesn't think Jesus is God Almighty, then she worships him against what the scriptures teach.But Kathi does think that Jesus is who His Father is as the Son and image of the Father. If you follow your logic then you shouldn't even honor the Son for that would go against the…[Read more]

Mark,you asked:Quote Isn't it funny that God would not let Moses see his face? When Moses asked to see it he put him in a cleft of a rock and said he would pass, and he could see his glory, but not his face. He said “no man sees mee and lives”Yes, it is funny, God is soooo mysterious. It is also said that with Moses, God spoke face to face and…[Read more]

Hi Mark,Usually good to lightenup every once in a while! Love is key, truth is also key, the Bible says that love rejoices with the truth.1 John 3:1818 Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. NASUTruth sets us free to love more, don't you think?Ps 90:1212 So teach us to number our days, That we may present…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2010,22:10)Hi Kathi,How did you move so fast from this:Quote Hi Mike,Maybe this can be a creed we can all agree on then and bring us some unity here in the 'Believer's' section. To this:Quote I desire now to discuss with those who agree on the worship of Jesus as the Son, not as the Father but as the Son and see Him as…[Read more]

Truly Pierre, God is the one that declared the Son His image…you give me too much credit. Are you doubting that the Son is the image of God now? Col 1:15

Help me? LOL. Get all huffy? LOL. You are too much! Giving up…good idea, you should do that Shimmer!I never whine about being 'ignored' in fact that would be much better, imo. Please ignore me Shimmer, please.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2010,21:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2010,11:40)So, the Son being the Almighty God as the 'image' and not the 'origina'l has everything to do with the Son always being superior to the angels.Hi Kathi,I'm not sure what you wrote is even English!  I didn't mean to come down hard on you.  I'm just saying that t8 did a s…[Read more]

theodorej,Here is where I posted something for you in the Worship thread:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….st=1260

Pierre,You misunderstand the image of a false god to the image of the True God.  We do not worship an image that we chisel out of stone or wood, for sure.  Christ is not that kind of image.  God's image has nothing to do with false images.  Remember, you should never 'honor' images either but that is obviously not speaking about God's image is it.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2010,19:25)Hi Kathi,This whole thread I started to diffuse JA's misconceptions all boils down to whether or not the angels were created through Jesus or not.  JA says “no” and the rest of the world (except the non-preexiststers) says “yes”.I know you say “yes”.  JA's other point is that Jesus wasn't “the only begotten S…[Read more]

Mark,If I want to worship the Father in spirit and truth then I see Him as a God who has an 'image' not as a God without an 'image.' The Son is that image. In truth God is not imageless. His image briefly appeared on earth under the name of Jehovah and became flesh as Jehovah Saves (Yeshua).

JA,Unfortunately we are not saying the same thing. I believe that the Son of God was the Son of God always with power before He emptied Himself to become the Son of man and then when the Son of God as the God/Man was exalted after the resurrection, the God/Man was declared to be the Son of God with power this time the Son as the God/Man. He…[Read more]

Thank you Heaven,I did do as you suggest and you have posted there so I am surprised that you suggested it. That would have been a good idea to have added an option for 'no disagreement.'I appreciate ya!

Shimmer, if you have tried and tried then you seem to have a strange perception of you words:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….19;st=0It seems to me that a log is hanging out of your eye and maybe one of your friends can help you with that. Jesus in his meekness and love walked away from stone throwers. He is my example and I see you as a…[Read more]

Interesting Shimmer that you say that because I do not feel that from you.