Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 21 2010,23:06)Kathy and Mike Boll,You miss the secound part of Matthew 11:11 since those that are in the kingdom of heaven are also born of woman.  I believe he was speaking of the first birth v the second birth as John did not experience the second birth which is part of the new covenant that was not yet sealed by Jesus'…[Read more]

This topic is where I will add Edj's derogatory comments about me which are totally unprovoked, as I happen upon them. Apparently Edj, you need the 'rules' that say to quote other's with respect to their words and intentions or you don't have to quote others with respect. What about the golden rule? What if I quoted you and took out your…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2010,20:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 20 2010,11:57)I think that it is obvious that Paul understands that there is a Father and a Son, he has clearly made a distinction that there are two and that the Son is not the Father and the Father is not the SonThis part of what you said is clearly evident from scripture, Kathi.…[Read more]

Hi Gene,You call it conjecture so that means that it could mean this or that.  Are you open to the possibility?  You will only see something if you are open to the possibility and with an honest and willing heart ask God to show you.Remember, Jesus was not out to toot his own horn.  How many times did Jesus tell others not to tell anyone of so…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 20 2010,00:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 20 2010,09:05)About the cross, oh my, don't get me going…I get so irritated at those who criticize the cross as a symbol of Christianity…and those that claim that it was a stake and not a cross beam, as if that really matters.  Imagine the logistics of hanging someone on a stake…it…[Read more]

Mike,As you know, I do believe that Jesus has the name 'Jehovah' within Him and appears as 'Jehovah'- Jehovah the Son of Jehovah the Father, in the OT. So, maybe your question is more about me being so intent on 2:13 not referring to the God that is the SOURCE of all good things. I think that it is obvious that Paul understands that there is a…[Read more]

Hi Barley,Who was Jesus before He was born of Mary in your opinion?When did Jesus choose to take on the role of a servant to God, in your understanding?

Mike,So, then if you have no problem with “our great god and savior, Jesus Christ” as speaking of one person then maybe you should be a little irritated that the JW's go to great lengths to pick apart the construction of the verse so they can come up with this conclusion:Therefore, in Tit 2:13, two distinct persons, Jehovah God and Jesus Christ,…[Read more]

Gene and all,Let's have a look at Psalms 104 in the Septuagint for any clues:Psalm 104A Psalm of David.104:1 Bless the Lord, O my soul. O Lord my God, thou art very great; thou hast clothed thyself with praise and honour: 2 who dost robe thyself with light as with a garment; spreading out the heaven as a curtain. 3 Who covers his chambers with…[Read more]

So, if you have no problem with “our great begotten god and savior, Jesus Christ” why go to the extent of challenging the wording of “our great god and savior, Jesus Christ?” Couldn't that be saying the same thing?

Hi Mike,Well, I'm happy to correspond to you too and it has been a while…I've been over in the “Other Writings” section.Are you clear that Jesus is the ONLY begotten god/God and therefore there are no other gods in His category if He is the ONLY BEGOTTEN God/god. All other so called 'gods' were not considered unbegotten certainly, and we know…[Read more]

Mike,I do believe that it is easily proven that the early church recognized Jesus as the God from God…the begotten from the unbegotten, so I would think that would cause  you to rethink your position here.  Consider what Pliny says to the Emperor Trajan.  Pliny was an official of the Emperor and someone that sought out Christians, questioned th…[Read more]

Hi Irene,I'm praying for you. Have you heard about your cat scan results? Hang in there!happyman, I will pray for the bishop.

Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 15 2010,07:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2010,14:12)Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 12 2010,06:00)Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 12 2010,19:16)Kathi, TheodorJ,As regarding the dead.In those times it was believed that once a person was dead in the body, the flesh, they were dead forever.The concept of the dead rising to an everlasting life…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 15 2010,03:44)Kathi, I read that somewhere today, about the change from Saturday to Sunday.  I think it was herehttp://www.bibleprobe.com/sundayworship.htmI think theres some parts about the Early Church Fathers somewhere there.Thanks Shimmer,That site has a lot of good quotes. What stood out to me was that Sunday was…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 14 2010,18:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2010,16:33)I had found basically the same thing written by Justin.  I hadn't found anything written by him that mentioned if he did something special on Saturday.  I know he mentioned worship being done as a body of believers on Sunday.Hi kathi.OK. Still looking. But first, s…[Read more]

Hi Karmarie,No problem…take your break by all means. The purpose of this topic is to see how early the worship gathering changed from the seventh day of the week to the first day and the thoughts behind it. I would also like to see if they continued to call the seventh day the 'sabbath day' even when worshiping on the first day of the week.…[Read more]

Hi Ted,Do you know who called it “Sunday” and who officially abolished the Holy days, and who declared Sunday the sabbath instead of Saturday? Thanks!

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 08 2010,19:05)Paul said that after his time here that men would introduce false doctrines even from our own number.So I guess that even some early stuff could be wrong.We need to (as with any writing) compare that which is written to scripture and Christ's words.My take.God the Father, his son, and spirit are mentioned. But…[Read more]

Ok, great Karmarie…no hurry!