Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 31 2011,18:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2011,11:04)“Lessor” is not at all clearly listed in John 1:18.  Is your son lessor human than you because he was begotten. The Father is greater by the fact that He is the Father, not because He is mightier.  He is also the Son's God because He is His Father and because He is G…[Read more]

Hi Mike,You asked: Quote #1 – So being the HEAD OF Christ doesn't imply that God is the mightier of the two?Do you think that it is possible that He is the head of Christ because He is the Father?Quote #3 –  Being the GOD OF Christ doesn't imply that God is mightier of the two?Do you think that it is possible that when the Father of the begotten…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,17:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,17:20)You limit God.No you limit God because you say he can reproduce himself meaning he can become greater than infinite.An infinite God brings birth to an infinite God meaning we now have 2 infinite Gods making God doubly infinite. Nah, I don't buy it Kathi and neither…[Read more]

Keith,So a woman is greater than God because she can literally beget an offspring and He can't? I think that God can do anything and is not a specific gender. If the eternal essence was always Father with the eternal Son within Him then nobody changes into God.God can create the universe but can't have a literal Son…hmmm…sorry, I can't see…[Read more]

Keith,My son was a person before he was born/begotten from me…the Son of God was a person before He was born/begotten from His Father. When I was expecting my son to be born/begotten, I was driving alone in my car although he was inside of me, I was still considered alone, I couldn't drive in the carpool lane, in other words. After he was…[Read more]

Jack,The resurrection showed that Jesus was not only 100% man but fully God too. The resurrection proved that God beget Him as His Son before creation. He was fully God before He became flesh. Look at the order of events here:1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2in these last days has…[Read more]

Jack,Why are you talking about me mainly and not to me? I find that immature. Does talking about me make it easier for you to accuse me falsely? I believe I have the early church father's on my side as far as the translation of monogenes in John 1:18. It is an adjective WITH a verb…an action. It is not an adjective with a noun.Kathi

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,14:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,14:27)Jack and Keith read the scripture again:NLT Heb 5:5That is why Christ did not honor himself by assuming he could become High Priest. No, he was chosen by God, who said to him, “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”…but Christ did not take this high and…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Okay, first let's deal with the “almighty” business once and for all. Christ is NEVER called “almighty” anywhere in scripture, so for you to just claim this without any scriptural support makes your claim unworthy of a response from anyone discussing the actual SCRIPTURES. But because you are my friend, I will remind you of a couple…[Read more]

Mike,To be begotten as an offspring is one who was within the parent before the begetting.  His begetting was a beginning of sorts for the Son as a separate person.  When I begat/gave birth to my son, that is when he began his life as his own person, distinct from me, although he existed as my son already.Kathi

Jack and Keith read the scripture again:NLT Heb 5:5That is why Christ did not honor himself by assuming he could become High Priest. No, he was chosen by God, who said to him, “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”…but Christ did not take this high and honourable office to himself, nor the glory of it; indeed, he did not receive it…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2011,04:41)Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2011,15:12)JA would like to say; “John 1:1 says,'In the beginning was the Word and the word was with God and the Word was God'.Since we know that Jesus 'was' the Word AND John mentions neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit, please can you show how it came about that the Father is…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 30 2011,17:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2011,17:09)And this is not all, but there is another remark to make: that if you say, “Because it is said ‘One God,’ therefore the word God doth not apply to the Son;” observe that the same holds of the Son also. For the Son also is called “One Lord,” yet we do not maintain th…[Read more]

Jack,If eternal generation means that He, as an eternally existing offspring from within the Father was begotten/born to the position of along side the Father during eternity before the ages then I can accept that. If it means that He was eternally begotten meaning there was never a time when He was not begotten, then I agree, that doesn't make…[Read more]

Keith,I edited my last post while you posted to help bring some understanding…just wanted to let you know.

Keith,I found what I was looking for regarding how each are referred as God yet there is one God. quote: Ver. 5. “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as there are gods many and lords many; yet to us there is one God, the Father, of Whom are all things, and we unto Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through Whom a…[Read more]

Keith,My son didn't become my son at the time he was begotten…he already was my son before he was begotten.  The Son of God was the Son before He was begotten…He always existed as the Son but didn't always exist before the ages as the begotten Son.  He wasn't begotten till “Let there be light.” That is my understanding.KathiI am editing this t…[Read more]

Hi Jack,Are you aware that I do not say “before He was begotten He was not” also?Correct me if I am wrong but you believe that:The Second Person was the Word within the mind of the First Person and became a Second Person.or,The Word is actually a person within the mind of the First Person, though a different person than the First Person.orThe Word…[Read more]

Mike,Quote So, from one word “theos”, and a scripture that clearly lists Jesus as a lessor god that was begotten and that people CAN see, you find some kind of “equality” between Jesus and his God? “Lessor” is not at all clearly listed in John 1:18. Is your son lessor human than you because he was begotten. The Father is greater by the fact…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 29 2011,12:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,09:19)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,16:55)Keith,Also, Jack believes that the Son had a beginning because there was a time when He was not the Son.  I think he believes that the Word didn't have a beginning, but as the Son, the Son had a beginning.  From what I c…[Read more]