Mike,I have been trying to tell you, it only takes a few verses and the understanding of those verses.John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The Word WAS a person with the God who also has divine nature…to be God/deity/divine nature would mean He was eternal. That has to be. Anyone NOT eternal…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,20:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2011,09:35)KathiIt would be nice if you believed what the Forefathers understood “begotten” means. And it does not mean he had a beginning of any kind.The what exactly does “God FROM God” mean?mikeMike,Similar to what the word from God is…something that was within and…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 01 2011,16:37)Kathi said:Quote I am not saying that once there was only the Father, I am saying that there was always a Father and a Son and their Holy Spirit.  However the Son was within the Father and not alongside Him till He was begotten before the ages.This is weird man! This is the kind of nonsense that is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 21 2010,03:50)Quote “There was; then, a Word importing an unbeginning eternity; asalso the Word itself, that is, the Son of God, who being, by equalityof substance, one with the Father, is eternal and uncreate.” These early church fathers often speak of the logos as an attribute ofGod and also as the Word himself, Christ.So it…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2011,13:49)Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2011,12:47)Keith,I knew it wouldn't be lomg before I had to repost this to you…I am not saying that once there was only the Father, I am saying that there was always a Father and a Son and their Holy Spirit.  However the Son was within the Father and not alongside Him…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2011,17:37)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,21:21)I am not saying that once there was only the Father, I am saying that there was always a Father and a Son and their Holy Spirit.  However the Son was within the Father and not alongside Him till He was begotten before the ages. For me there is one God, the Father…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 01 2011,00:55)Kathi,I would also like to add this scripture so that you can consider it when you answer my questions:Isaiah 43:10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there…[Read more]

Keith,I knew it wouldn't be lomg before I had to repost this to you…I am not saying that once there was only the Father, I am saying that there was always a Father and a Son and their Holy Spirit. However the Son was within the Father and not alongside Him till He was begotten before the ages. Now, I think that I should just copy this and…[Read more]

Hi Jack,You mentioned in your last post here:Quote It CLEARLY says that Christ's “having become so much better than the angels” is the CONSEQUENCE of His now being seated at the right hand of God.First, it is the name 'firstborn' and 'begotten' itself that makes Him above the angels. The very name itself testifies that He is above the angels. Soif…[Read more]

Mike,I don't know…I'll think about it.Dennison,Have at it Thanks for the fellowship guys.See you later…sweet dreams! Kathi

Dennison,Quote I also believe that Jesus is refferred to as the outstretched arm thingy. Great!Quote 1. Species? Define that. Well, a species is a type of kind. Like a human species…eneryone is human in the human species. A canine species, all animals in the canine species are canine. In the deity species…all are deity in the deity…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Nobody would ever recognize another as their god without also automatically recognizing that one was mightier than them. What do people do to gods, Kathi? That is true in the case of creation towards their creator. Their creator is obviously mightier than they. We are not talking about a created being relating to a self-existent…[Read more]

Dennison,So in your understanding, Jesus is not the begotten God but an earthy vessel to contain the Father?I still believe that frequently when God referred to having an outstretched arm, He was referring to His only begotten Son who serves Him.1. God is more of a species, a self-existent eternal species. Maybe race is not the right word.2.…[Read more]

Good Mike that means you are understanding. My son does not have the nature of deity and therefore, he would not be eternal. Only that which is deity nature is eternal. I don't know if the Son was in the form of an incorruptible seed or a mature God like the Father or some stage in between before He was begotten…He was perfect whatever that…[Read more]

Mike,Can you think of anything in scripture that shows someone born as an offspring that didn't exist before they were born? Adam wasn't said to be begotten, nor was Eve. They were created. A true offspring exists before they are born/begotten.Kathi

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 31 2011,22:23)Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2011,08:18)Dennison,You are a modalist, don't you think?  This is the definition:ModalismModalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God.  It is a denial of the Trinity which states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical h…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2011,22:07)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,20:54)Mike,What you proved is that people worship something even though it can not save and doesn't have the nature of deity.  The carver worships the carving is an example of foolishness.  Just because someone makes something their god, doesn't make that thing mightier at a…[Read more]

Dennison,You are a modalist, don't you think? This is the definition:ModalismModalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God. It is a denial of the Trinity which states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes, or forms. Thus, God is a single person who…[Read more]

Mike,What you proved is that people worship something even though it can not save and doesn't have the nature of deity.  The carver worships the carving is an example of foolishness.  Just because someone makes something their god, doesn't make that thing mightier at all.  It just makes the 'someone' a fool.4:8 GalNew American Standard Bible (©…[Read more]

Mike,Good point there. Don't you think that it would be a lot easier if Keith and Jack agreed with the creeds say about when He was begotten especially since they both claim to be trinitarians and the creeds are foundational to that doctrine. I wish they were orthodox trinitarians instead of orthodox except for the begotten part. There is…[Read more]