Quote (karmarie @ April 04 2011,15:04)Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2011,09:30)Or 'today' could be according to eternity where there is only today, just an eternal one.Just make a quick comment here, when your dead in the grave awaiting the ressurection, the time between… would'nt be remembered. Just like when your in a deep sleep, then wake…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 04 2011,15:59)Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2011,04:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,00:13)Here is one:Quote Theophilus to Autolycus Book IIhttp://ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-02/anf02-42.htm#P1669_480398You will say, then, to me: “You said that God ought not to be contained in a place, and how do you now say that He…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 04 2011,15:04)Kathi said:Quote Jack,I never said that Jesus wasn't also called the 'firstborn from the dead' as well as 'firstborn of all creation.'  Two different times of being begotten…one is in the beginning, the other is after His flesh body died.  He was a Son the entire time.KathiNot two begettings but o…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 04 2011,15:15)Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2011,06:46)You are right Jack, this poll is unnecessary and I'm sure Mike will see that…we all make mistakes.  One thing about polls as you can see with this one, is that you can vote/lie anonymously and no will know who you are and you can be a coward by doing that if…[Read more]

You are right Jack, this poll is unnecessary and I'm sure Mike will see that…we all make mistakes. One thing about polls as you can see with this one, is that you can vote/lie anonymously and no will know who you are and you can be a coward by doing that if that was done intentionally. True Christians don't do that, so, if someone voted like…[Read more]

Or 'today' could be according to eternity where there is only today, just an eternal one.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 28 2010,09:11)Here we have Tatian who writes about the Logos coming into being and is the first-begotten work of the Father.  He didn't think that the logos was always a separate person but that it came into being.  I have said that I believe the firstborn of all creation was the first fruit of the Father.  This affirms th…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,09:21)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,00:27)Here is one…Hippolytus: Dogmatical and Historical Fragmentshttp://ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-05/anf05-18.htm#P3712_1172813These things then, brethren, are declared by the Scriptures. And the blessed John, in the testimony of his Gospel, gives us an account of this…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,00:13)Here is one:Quote Theophilus to Autolycus Book IIhttp://ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-02/anf02-42.htm#P1669_480398You will say, then, to me: “You said that God ought not to be contained in a place, and how do you now say that He walked in Paradise? “Hear what I say. The God and Father, indeed, of all cannot be…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 02 2011,10:44)Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2011,12:14)Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 01 2011,16:37)Kathi said:Quote I am not saying that once there was only the Father, I am saying that there was always a Father and a Son and their Holy Spirit.  However the Son was within the Father and not alongside Him till He…[Read more]

I would really like to know who said that 'only Keith has answered honestly' and why they said that.  C'mon fess up!  Back that vote up with some reason or admit that you weren't truthful or misunderstood or something, I know we all can make a mistake.Kathi

Hi Keith,I thought that you did and yes, I know that you disagree with them, so do I. I don't think Mike saw the post where you admitted that according to the scholars' quote, they said that it was grammatically possible. Mike just missed that, I guess. It is not hard to miss a post when there are so many of them. I hope he can put this behind…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2011,22:40)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 01 2011,00:47)Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2011,10:40)Dennison,Quote I also believe that Jesus is refferred to as the outstretched arm thingy. Great!Quote 1. Species?  Define that. Well, a species is a type of kind.  Like a human species…eneryone is human in the human species.  …[Read more]

Mike,I thought that Keith said 'yes' to that later on.Kathi

I think that is a good idea t8. The person reporting the other should have to provide proof that another has been asked a question a few times and then pm'd to make sure they have seen the question before making the report with a personal heads up about reporting them if not addressed. Then the person who receives the pm needs to pm the first…[Read more]

Mike,You seem to agree that He has the true deity nature and that we see in John 1:1 and Heb 1. Deity nature is self-existing and not derived from another. To have deity nature is the same as to be self-exiting. Deity nature is self-existing or it isn't deity nature. I don't know of a verse that spells that out for us. I think that is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,23:12)Hey All,Back to the subject of the thread:Who is “THE GOD” that the Word was WITH in 1:1b?  mikeThe Father. The Begetter of the Word.Kathi

Another thought Dennison,You are a son and one day, you may become a father also, and then much later you may become a grandfather too. When you are a grandfather and you go to live with your grandchildren, one person (you as the grandfather) will be living with them, not three persons of you. You will not show up at their doorstep and say that…[Read more]

Ok Dennison-son, just for you…You said:Quote Oh I believe that but thats not what you stated earlier. You stated that they are of the same species, but different beings who are in agreement with one another. So what you just said kindof contradicts the rest. In other words, the verse provides a distinct truth that No other God, nor same species…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 01 2011,00:47)Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2011,10:40)Dennison,Quote I also believe that Jesus is refferred to as the outstretched arm thingy. Great!Quote 1. Species?  Define that. Well, a species is a type of kind.  Like a human species…eneryone is human in the human species.  A canine species, all animals in the ca…[Read more]