MikeYou could have left me out of your poll all together, lol…now I got a vote against me forever implanted on this message board insinuating that I was dishonest…without knowing who the person is for sure or proof to back up their allogations and no opportunity to directly challenge them. grrrr!Anyway, I'm glad you apologized, I knew you…[Read more]

Mike,This is what you said in a post here from March 22 (third post from the top): https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=230Kathi has immediately answered truthfully. Keith has FINALLY answered truthfully.

Irene,From what I understand, you and Georg believe in a 'gap theory' where the heavens and the earth were a perfect creation and then something happened involving satan and other angels, then the heavens and the earth became a chaotic mess. Well, that is a theory but I don't believe that is what the Bible is telling us and neither do the NET…[Read more]

Here is an excerpt of that post made by Keith:You have quoted a few sources opinions that it possibly could be translated that way and one of the sources admits that in context it could not be translated anarthrous because of the entire context of the scriptures which teaches Monotheism. Why are they still “Trinitarians” Mike? Why did none of them…[Read more]

Honestly Mike,If you go to this link, you will see that Keith said that the scholars said that it could be translated that way. I think that is an honest answer. So I think that we both gave an honest answer. Therefore if someone said that I gave a dishonest answer and I think that Keith and I gave the same answer, then I think they are…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 05 2011,09:36)Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2011,17:07)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 04 2011,15:41)Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2011,14:30)Or 'today' could be according to eternity where there is only today, just an eternal one.Do you have a scripture for that because “yown” is the first time days are mentioned and…[Read more]

Sophia,Like Irene said, there is a 'report this post to a moderator' link that you can click on if you find the post is abusive towards someone…have you done that?  Also, there is the private message feature where you can handle your grievance privately and directly…have you done that?  If not, maybe you can start the Biblical pattern of r…[Read more]

Well Mike,Like I said, the person who voted 'only Keith' is either guilty of slander or confusion. If quilty of slander then also quilty of cowardliness and ungodly conduct. If confusion without cowardliness, then maybe they will come forward to discuss it with me. If confusion WITH cowardliness, then they won't come forward to discuss it with…[Read more]

Thanks t8, you are welcome!Kathi

Jack,you said:Quote I reject the “eternal sonship” and the “preexistent sonship” doctrines. Christ was the Eternal Word MADE Son. He was appointed to that office just as His fathers David and Solomon before Him. Would you please answer this question:Was the 'Word' that was in the Father before it/he came out of the Father a person with the same…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 04 2011,16:56)Kathi said:Quote Jack,The title 'firstborn of all creation' not only includes animals but trees, plants, fish, heavenly bodies, and man…all living things.kathi,No way! The firstborn cow was the firsborn of cows. The firstborn lamb was the firstborn of lambs. The firstborn son was the firstborn of hum…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 04 2011,15:41)Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2011,14:30)Or 'today' could be according to eternity where there is only today, just an eternal one.Do you have a scripture for that because “yown” is the first time days are mentioned and it is mentioned as the “first day” in Genesis.Does the word “first” mean…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ April 04 2011,15:04)Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2011,09:30)Or 'today' could be according to eternity where there is only today, just an eternal one.Just make a quick comment here, when your dead in the grave awaiting the ressurection, the time between… would'nt be remembered. Just like when your in a deep sleep, then wake…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 04 2011,15:59)Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2011,04:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,00:13)Here is one:Quote Theophilus to Autolycus Book IIhttp://ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-02/anf02-42.htm#P1669_480398You will say, then, to me: “You said that God ought not to be contained in a place, and how do you now say that He…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 04 2011,15:04)Kathi said:Quote Jack,I never said that Jesus wasn't also called the 'firstborn from the dead' as well as 'firstborn of all creation.'  Two different times of being begotten…one is in the beginning, the other is after His flesh body died.  He was a Son the entire time.KathiNot two begettings but o…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 04 2011,15:15)Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2011,06:46)You are right Jack, this poll is unnecessary and I'm sure Mike will see that…we all make mistakes.  One thing about polls as you can see with this one, is that you can vote/lie anonymously and no will know who you are and you can be a coward by doing that if…[Read more]

You are right Jack, this poll is unnecessary and I'm sure Mike will see that…we all make mistakes. One thing about polls as you can see with this one, is that you can vote/lie anonymously and no will know who you are and you can be a coward by doing that if that was done intentionally. True Christians don't do that, so, if someone voted like…[Read more]

Or 'today' could be according to eternity where there is only today, just an eternal one.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 28 2010,09:11)Here we have Tatian who writes about the Logos coming into being and is the first-begotten work of the Father.  He didn't think that the logos was always a separate person but that it came into being.  I have said that I believe the firstborn of all creation was the first fruit of the Father.  This affirms th…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,09:21)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,00:27)Here is one…Hippolytus: Dogmatical and Historical Fragmentshttp://ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-05/anf05-18.htm#P3712_1172813These things then, brethren, are declared by the Scriptures. And the blessed John, in the testimony of his Gospel, gives us an account of this…[Read more]