Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2011,14:16)Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2011,07:57)Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,17:10)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,01:57)Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,02:13)Kathy! Georg said that Angels and Jesus were created they are called Angela, wile God was not…And that is why He is not an Angel…IreneThanks Irene,Another…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,20:09)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,07:57)Irene,That is the big huge difference between you and I.  You seem to think that God created Jesus out of nothing.  He could not be a literal son if that were so.KathiKathi,Everything came out of God, right?  Even rocks and planets and clouds and humans and Jesus, ri…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2011,13:26)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,09:02)Mike,Not all heavenly spirit messengers were created.  There are the angels and then there is the Son and the Spirit, both eternal…not created.  God always was a Father.Hi KathiTrue! If Jesus is the “Only Begotten Son of God” then that would mean that “angels” c…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 19 2011,12:51)Kathi It is certainly true that we should Honor the Son as much as we Honor the Father because to the acknowledgement of one is the acknowledgement of the other.But Kathi, this is HONORING… not Worshipping!See your own statement: you Honor them both. You left out WORSHIP.Worship is not Honor – Honor is not…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote prefer “a god” in John 1:1, because I know that Jesus is a god who was with the God in the beginning, but who was not that God he was with. Kathi agrees with this, but for some reason feels the capitalized “God” in part c says this just the same as using “a god” would.I do not feel like 'a god' and 'God' are saying the same…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,00:21)Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2011,10:15)Dennison,That sounds like a comparison to Jesus being incarnated into flesh where He is fully God and fully man.  That is not what I asked though.  I was wondering if perfect divine nature would mean that it was eternal…can a person/spirit being have a perfect d…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 18 2011,15:01)Hi Kathi,Phil 3:3, whichever way it is read, states that we Honor the Son (Even as we Honor the Father).Honouring is not Worshipping – honouring means giving credit.We do indeed give Credit to both Father And Son.That part is clear and is echoed elsewhere several times in Scriptures.We AGREE on that.However, you…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 18 2011,15:14)Kathi,There is Firstborn and there is First-born (Or First Born).The first is that ONE that is held most closely to the Father irrespective of birth order.Even an adopted ONE can become the Firstborn.The second, 'First born', is simply that: THE ONE that was born first to the father.Jacob was Isaac's FIRSTBORN…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,20:27)Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,22:31)Would you mind clarifying what that one word was in the original languages and what are all the definitions of that one word you are talking about.The word in Greek is “aggelos”, and the one meaning is “messenger”.  So when you read anything in scripture that says…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,17:10)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,01:57)Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,02:13)Kathy! Georg said that Angels and Jesus were created they are called Angela, wile God was not…And that is why He is not an Angel…IreneThanks Irene,Another question for Georg… What is the difference between being the first born and…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,02:13)Kathy! Georg said that Angels and Jesus were created they are called Angela, wile God was not…And that is why He is not an Angel…IreneThanks Irene,Another question for Georg… What is the difference between being the first born and being the first created?Kathi

Jesus is the Christ, the only begotten Son of the Living God, the begotten God…not created, nor made but begotten before the ages. He became flesh, walked in complete obedience to His Father, was crucified, died and was buried. After three days, He rose again and will one day come back and judge all men. Those who believe in Him will be…[Read more]

Dennison,That sounds like a comparison to Jesus being incarnated into flesh where He is fully God and fully man. That is not what I asked though. I was wondering if perfect divine nature would mean that it was eternal…can a person/spirit being have a perfect divine nature and not be eternal?Kathi

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,23:19)Quote (Baker @ April 17 2011,23:11)Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2011,15:04)Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,12:58)Quote (Baker @ April 17 2011,09:45)Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ April 17 2011,14:58)Quote (Baker @ April 17 2011,00:15)T8 I think that there were at least three Archangels called Cherub, in…[Read more]

Dennison,The tabernacle was not eternal, so I don't know why you said that would be a perfect example of divine nature.Kathi

That's great about the scholarship, btw.

Dennison,To have perfect divine nature, would you agree that would mean that the nature was eternal?Kathi

Hi Mike,Is today Passover according to the Jewish calendar? You made a good post. At church this morning, the message was on the Messiah being the suffering servant and how He entered Jerusalem on the colt and how that was prophesied way ahead of time. We also had a great time of singing and had communion. Church was packed out!Peace and grace…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,23:35)Quote (Lightenup @ April 12 2011,10:11)Dennison,Regarding seeing the Father when looking at Christ:John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.The reason that we can see the Father when looking at Christ, is because of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 17 2011,23:28)Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,22:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 17 2011,23:07)Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,22:00)Irene,I asked you that because Georg said that if Jesus is a spirit being, then He is an angel…so if God is a spirit being wouldn't that make Him an angel according to that reasoning?Whose…[Read more]