Mike,I am just trying to give you understanding of John 1:1c. The other translations do give the word 'with' and that is enough to show that there are two different ones spoken of here. The word 'mighty' is not appropriate either because 'mighty' is not a type of nature, divine is.Kathi

Quote (Istari @ April 21 2011,17:06)Thank you Kathi,My mind was clear because I had already thought of it when it first came up, the first time, second, third and this time.I meant those who are earthbound ensconched in everyday common thoughts on matters.They may say, 'Of course….x y z' because that is their common everyday way of…[Read more]

Mike,If you substitute the word 'God' with 'divine' in 1c then you would clearly see that there is no need for the 'a.'In the beginning was the word and the word was with the God and the word was divine…not 'a divine.' So if John 1c is talking about what the word is, regarding His nature, then 'a' would be out of place…can't you see that?If…[Read more]

Good Karmarie,The question, even for the men was about the 'biological father' and I don't think they can really say that the man becomes the biological father only after birth and be factual. The question wasn't about when the man started acting like a father or felt like a father or found out that they were a father. Do you see that even for…[Read more]

Pierre,Perhaps you should just go to God with the question and read the scripture as written. To me, it is simply identifying the one who wrestled with Jacob as Jehovah and the rest of the verse in that chapter shows how Jehovah is and has been involved with men.Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2011,21:27)Quote (karmarie @ April 22 2011,20:15)Biologically is different to actuallity. The unborn child is still growing.Kbiological just means who is the source right ?PierreYes Pierre. The biological father is the one who was the sperm donor. Whether he stuck around or not, he was the biological father.Kathi

Karmarie,The child is still growing after he/she is born. I think you need to re-read the question. If you were going to tell someone that they were the 'biological father' to your unborn child would you have no one to tell that to until the child was born? To me, this is so silly. Surely you wouldn't be telling the guy that he was 'going to…[Read more]

Pierre,I think that this verse:And will punish Jacob according to his ways; He will repay him according to his deeds. shows that Jehovah is ready to punish and repay, whatever is required. I don't think it is talking about a particular incident that Jehovah punished or repaid Jacob for. Kathi

So Pierre, you weren't the biological father when your wife conceived your children, you were only the biological father after their birth? Do you understand what 'biological father' means? If your wife said that you were the biological father when she found out she was pregnant would you say that you weren't?? Someone had to be.biological…[Read more]

Pierre,You can't just decide to remove verses. The 'He' that is in v. 4 is identified in v. 5.Verse 5 is the end of the sentence beginning in v.4.He (Jacob) wept and sought His (Jehovah's) favor. He (Jacob) found Him(Jehovah) at Bethel And there He(Jehovah) spoke with us, 5 Even the Lord(Jehovah), the God of hosts, The Lord(Jehovah) is His name.…

Thanks Irene for voting! I agree.Kathi

Pierre,Do you see that the 'angel' in this passage is named Jehovah?Hos 12:2-52 The Lord(Jehovah) also has a dispute with Judah, And will punish Jacob according to his ways; He will repay him according to his deeds. 3 In the womb he took his brother by the heel, And in his maturity he contended with God. 4 Yes, he wrestled with the angel and…[Read more]

Karmarie,I think the one who voted for the third choice was Istari. Ask him. That should be an interesting chat for you.Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2011,16:38)Kathiwere in the bible does it say all those things?Ge 32:22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two maidservants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. Ge 32:23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. Ge 32:24 So Jacob was left alone, and…[Read more]

Pierre,You are welcome, I am glad you retracted it.Kathi

You welcome Istari,I hope it clears this up. I do think that you might wish that you thought more deeply before voting Kathi

Pierre,Read the context of the passage in Hosea and what John Gill's commentary said about it. I agree with him on this.Kathi

Istari,you saidQuote Biological Father' is a term meaning the one through the fertilisation came.It is not the same as 'The Father' as in 'Fatherhood' which is what I believe the question is about.Ok, so at least you can see that a guy is the biological father before the birth because he fertilized the ovum.  I think that you would have voted…[Read more]

Istari,I understand that people speak of pregnant women as expectant mothers or 'mothers to be' but I think you would agree that she is the biological mother of her child at the moment of conception…right? It would be incorrect to think of her as the biological mother 'to be' if she were pregnant, as if she wasn't already the biological mother…[Read more]

Hi William,You know that I agree with you in many things and you have written your beliefs well…kudos. I do question this part though:Quote With the foundation of our reality laid, God was manifested in this new reality as everything our reality could possibly support of the Father (but was far short of the whole). Now this manifestation was…[Read more]