Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,23:13)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,21:53)Matter is a creation, new stuff, not part of God, eternal stuff.And where did it originally come from?Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,21:53)So you say that the Son was created and then begotten, or created/begotten as the same thing?I say that my son was created by the…[Read more]

Mike,Quote I personally believe that Jesus is saying the KNOWLEDGE and BELIEF that he is truly the Son of the Living God is the foundation of the church.Think about that, Kathi. Believing that Jesus is the Son OF God, not GOD THE SON, is the foundation his church is built on.So now you believe that the foundation is believing that Jesus is the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,22:53)Okay…………..After wading through all the personal insults that result from one getting his butt kicked scripturally, I did find a couple of tidbits to address:I said:Quote Istari, I understand what you claim:  That Adam was God's “firstborn” (as in “most loved or whatever”) of the flesh sons of God…[Read more]

Mike,About death, the soul is not killed by man…Matt 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.Do you see how the body is said to be killed but not the soul. Is that not clear that the soul is not dead along with the body?Ok, I'm caught up.Kathi

Mike,So you say that the Son was created and then begotten, or created/begotten as the same thing? Your son was 'created' in a sense of being created out of existing matter…a sperm and an ovum. The creation of heaven and earth was by the will of God…by wisdom, the word of God not by existing matter, all new matter otherwise matter would be…[Read more]

Mike,Here is the rock that the church is built on Mike…the truth of who Jesus is. This truth caused Him to be crucified. Scriptures are the witness to the foundation but aren't the foundation…it is the Christ, the Son of the living God.Matt 16:13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who d…[Read more]

Mike,Hosea said 'malak' and you have said that 'malak' means messenger all the time. What Hosea confirms is that the one wrestling with Jacob was Jehovah, God of hosts. Manoah saw the Son also but I don't think that He is specifically identified as Jehovah as in Hosea and Gen. 18.I thought you were out of here?Kathi

Thank you Mike.Kathi

Hi Marty,Which specific statement do you question:Creatures are by essence 'created' by God not 'born' of God. Creatures are a product of new matter. That which was born of God is not of 'new matter' but was eternal within the Father and then born of the Father at the appropriate time to act in the creation miracle of heaven and earth. The only…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,21:14)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,12:53)That which was born of God is not of 'new matter' but was eternal within the Father and then born of the Father at the appropriate time to act in the creation miracle of heaven and earth.So this “new matter” was not at one time also eternal within the Father?That's…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,20:59)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,12:41)Dennison,There is Jehovah, the unseen God the Father…and His image, Jehovah, the only begotten God from the Father, who was seen in the appearance of a man and taken for being an angel, but He is not a created angel.Kathi, I know the scriptures you use to claim…[Read more]

Mike,Quote For it to NOT be a vice regent OF God is to say that men have not only seen, but wrestled with God Himself. Now you are getting it Mike. Jesus is deity too!BTW, in the Genesis account of Jacob, there is no mention of an angel. It says that Jacob wrestled with God and at first it mentions Him as a man, no angel mentioned. Since malak…[Read more]

Pierre,Yes, that is what I am saying…the deity of Christ which means that the Son was eternal with the Father. Do you believe in the deity of Christ?

Pierre,Christians all over the world accept the deity of Christ.

Pierre,I am giving you scriptures and explaining to you my understanding. It is up to each of us to be the 'Berean.' Seek God for deeper understanding.God bless,Kathi

Marty,Creatures are by essence 'created' by God not 'born' of God. Creatures are a product of new matter. That which was born of God is not of 'new matter' but was eternal within the Father and then born of the Father at the appropriate time to act in the creation miracle of heaven and earth. The only one born of God created all things…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote witch one of those verses do you not understand?I understand them. Jehovah is both Father and Son…two persons as one deity with their Spirit. Sometimes in the context it is clear that one is seen by man and then that one would be the Son, sometimes it is both collectively, sometimes Jehovah as the Father is referred to. Either…[Read more]

Pierre,It isn't for a lack of trying.Kathi

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 25 2011,11:14)pierre your in denial, take what is said.LU: r u stating that the LORD was in angel?note: i dot have direct internst access so my post will b short and simple bc im posting from my phone which is a pain.Dennison,There is Jehovah, the unseen God the Father…and His image, Jehovah, the only begotten God…[Read more]

Pierre,You are in denial. In Gen 18, Abraham is talking to one called Jehovah. In Hosea 4, it tells us that Jacob wrestled with one called Jehovah, God of hosts. When one changes scripture to fit their imaginations, they make a god out of their imaginations. Just read the scripture and let it stand as it is.The word translated as LORD that I…[Read more]