Mike,You ask:Quote Since we know that Michael and Gabriel were brought forth at some time, we know that there was also a time when they didn't exist, right? What SCRIPTURE tells you that it was different with Jesus?Mike, for all creation, there was a time when those created out of new substance did not exist. Psalm 33:6By the word of the LORD…[Read more]

Thanks again for praying for the situation in the south. Our electricity is back up after 72 hours. I was talking with someone today that home and six horses and family were all fine but probably more than 100 of their trees felled and their neighbors on either side of them completely lost their home and there were a few deaths on their street.…[Read more]

Keith,I'm back…my electricity is now working again after 72 hours. I read through this thread and I think a one on one 'discussion' would be more effective, don't you? It gets very distracting with all those who deny the deity of Christ posting as well. I really don't want to debate, just discuss respectfully, one question at a time. That is…[Read more]

Hi Guys,Thanks for your prayers. We are now over 48 hours without electricity so here I am at the library again but don't have much time. I'm charging my phones and such Interesting time! Keep praying for those who lost everything.

Hi all,I have little time to respond on HN. I have no electricity at home and may not for a few more days, so I might stop in the library or somewhere but that is why I am not posting a response now. Sorry

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 27 2011,18:47)Hi All,This is my post from page nine – my first post on this thread:Quote There has never been a known occasion in the history of the world where someone who was brought forth into existence wasn't also subject to a time when he DIDN'T exist.  I exist now because I was brought forth.  But because I was b…[Read more]

Kerwin,I think you mean 'deity.' Deity, true deity, all who have divine nature and are represented collectively as one deity and/or independently as individuals depending on the context, i.e. the Father and the Son collectively represent one deity and they each are deity in their person although they are not ever independent of each other. In…[Read more]

Irene,Jesus's death and man's death is in regards to the body and not the soul, you have agreed to that already. Man can only kill the body of flesh, not the soul. Jesus's flesh body died but not the spiritual part of Jesus and the spiritual part of man does not die with the body either. Jesus's flesh body was not part of who He was while He…[Read more]

Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ April 26 2011,22:00)Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2011,12:46)BC&JW,The created angels shine because of being in the presence of the glory of the Lord.  Moses face also shone from being in the presence of the Lord.29 Now it came about when Moses came down from Mount Si′nai that the two tablets of the Testimony were i…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ April 26 2011,19:15)Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2011,13:38)Karmarie,That doesn't answer the question.  Is one true and one not true?Haha Kathi,I think this answers that…John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.And I also like this verse;John 17:21 That…[Read more]

Irene,Yes there is a point to this. The deity of Christ did not die, only the flesh of Christ died…the deity of Christ continued on.Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,20:21)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,22:32)Mike,The new matter was new and didn't evolve or something like that.  It was created by God not begotten by God.So this matter came from within God, since before it there was nothing BUT God.  And this matter was created by God but not by means of begetting, right?  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,20:23)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,22:34)Mike,I don't make it different.  The men killed the body only, not the soul.  Just like the verse said.And this is true of Jesus and everyone else who has ever died, right?So how again is HIS death different than anyone who died before him or since?mikeMike,I didn't s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2011,20:35)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2011,22:57)Mike,Many have scriptures, the Jews for example, and don't believe that the Messiah is the Son of God. Kathi, I won't argue this “nit-picky” point with you.  I know that the belief that Jesus is the Son OF God is the foundation on which Christ built his Church.  This a…[Read more]

BC&JW,The created angels shine because of being in the presence of the glory of the Lord. Moses face also shone from being in the presence of the Lord.

Karmarie,There are two moderators here and you can report 'abusive posts' to the one that isn't involved in the debate. That is one way to look after another here. You should be sure that one person isn't as guilty as the other though. One should be above reproach or both are probably guilty.

BC&JW,No those angels in Rev 18:1 and EZ 43:2 are not Jehovah the Son.

Irene,So was the spirit of Jesus ever killed?Kathi

Irene,Did you know that the Romans did not kill the soul of Jesus, only the body?

So Pierre,Are you saying that Jesus is not deity but acts as deity only because He acts as a spokesman for God like Moses did?