Mike,Good, remember them for our discussion thread.Kathi

Mike,I started our discussion thread. I will answer you there. Kathi

Pierre,We disagree then. So be it.Kathi

Mike,Can you show me a scripture that tells us that the only begotten Son did not exist before He was begotten before the ages?Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 01 2011,19:16)Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2011,16:44)Mike,1 Cor 8:6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.For one thing, the 'all things' does not include the one Lord, Jesus Christ otherwise He…[Read more]

Pierre,Deity is not created, Jesus is deity because He is the only begotten Son of God. His nature is not a created nature. He 'came out from thee' and was always within before that. The Father was all sufficient to save from eternity. He didn't have to create a savior to become flesh, He always had that savior within Him.Kathi

Quote (t8 @ May 01 2011,19:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2011,11:16)Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2011,16:44)Mike,1 Cor 8:6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.For one thing, the 'all things' does not include the one…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 01 2011,19:27)Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2011,18:23)You weren't a father before you conceived your son.  The moment after you conceived your son, you were a biological father.  See?  I started this thread so that you could get that and now we are on pg. 22 and you still don't get that.That IS why you started the thread, bu…[Read more]

Mike,Would you like to have a one on one conversation because I have answered your question and it is crazy to get your unfounded accusations. I don't want to jump from topic to topic with you. It would just be easier to have an ongoing conversation in one place about any topic. You ask one question, I answer it, then I ask you one question and…[Read more]

Istari,Quote By your logic, every MAN is a Father, and every Woman is a mother.Only if they have conceived an offspring, Istari. Many men and women have never conceived an offspring but once they have, they are a biological father and mother of an offspring whether or not the baby was miscarried or not. I don't know why you aren't getting this?…[Read more]

Mike,Quote His God has sure GIVEN him a lot of power and authority, eh?His Father and Him were the same in nature and both almighty, one as the Son and one as the Father. Both were Jehovah. Jehovah the Son, our God has given His followers power and authority too.The Father and the Son are the source of our power and authority over darkness. We…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Well, the Father wasn't a Father until He begot His Son. And before the Son, who was there in existence to “radiate His glory” to?Where is your scripture that says the Father was not a Father until He begat His Son? You were a father, a biological father before you begat/brought forth your son…for about nine months.Where in…[Read more]

Mike,1 Cor 8:6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.For one thing, the 'all things' does not include the one Lord, Jesus Christ otherwise He exists through Himself. Also, there is no mention of all things coming from…[Read more]

Mike,Thanks for bumping those points for me…much appreciated!Quote 1. So which of my statements do you claim to be untrue then?A. My son is a creation.B. My son was begotten.A. Yes, your son is a creation in the sense that your son is a creation of God as a part of creation. B. Yes, your son was begotten/born, i.e. your son was begotten as…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote The substance of Jesus came from within God originally, right?The substance of granite also came from within God originally, right?The substance of lint also came from within God originally, right?1. The substance of Jesus came from within God originally, right? Can you show me a verse that says that?2.The substance of granite…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 27 2011,22:01)Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2011,20:17)'from ancient times' can mean 'from eternity'.Hi Kathi,There has been some discussion about this.  The fact that Jesus says he will be with us until the END of “aion” makes it hard to believe the word means “eternity” – because “eternity” has no END. (Matt 28:20)And…[Read more]

Hi Irene,Thank you! Keith opened up this topic with questions to me and I can see that we can't have a meaningful conversation with the mixture of those who do not believe in the deity of Christ also. Kathi

Quote (Baker @ April 27 2011,16:39)Kathy!   Rev 3:14 ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;  Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation.Peace IreneHere Irene,Read this for understanding on that verse:The beginning of the creation of…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 27 2011,12:50)Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2011,08:03)Kerwin,I think you mean 'deity.'  Deity, true deity,  all who have divine nature and are represented collectively as one deity and/or independently as individuals depending on the context, i.e. the Father and the Son collectively represent one deity and they e…[Read more]

If any one still has a question for me that I didn't answer, please give me one at a time, thanks!Kathi