Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2011,10:41)Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,22:02)Mike,If our human nature began to exist when Adam was created, the Son's divine nature began to exist when His Father's nature began to exist…No.  If our human nature began to exist when Adam was brought forth by the One who brought him forth, then it stands to reason…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2011,13:38)Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 21 2011,22:43)Excellent post Kathi. T8 holds the Morman belief that believers become divine in the next life. I've already explained to him that you do not become that which you partake in. I.e. if you partake in a meal, that does not make you one!Hebrews 2:14 speaks of Jesus “partaking…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2011,10:36)Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,22:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,19:58)Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2011,23:00)And that is not proven anywhere in scripture.  The Spirit was also brought forth yet eternal.I'm sorry, when again was the Spirit begotten by God?Mike,It wasn't 'begotten' but it was brought forth…[Read more]

Ireen No problem, you are not the only one that misspells my name but I can assure you that I haven't been spelling my name wrong.  You probably got the wrong spelling from Pierre and Kerwin who misspell it sometimes also.  Most of my posts this year have my name at the end Blessings,Kathi

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 21 2011,23:43)Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2011,14:57)I believe that when one has as a divine nature as their original and essential nature, their nature always existed.  Christians will only partake of divine nature, they will only have the fruits of that nature, not the incommunicable traits like the ability to be everywhere…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,19:58)Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2011,23:00)And that is not proven anywhere in scripture.  The Spirit was also brought forth yet eternal.I'm sorry, when again was the Spirit begotten by God?Mike,It wasn't 'begotten' but it was brought forth and sent. Do you have trouble with that idea? You were talking about the…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,16:27)Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,23:40)Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,05:16)Kathy!  Don't know what your point is.  I don't know if Jesus was always  in the Father, do you???  Do you have a scripture that says so???…You say Jesus was alive before He was begotten, Yes, as a Spirit Being…. That is the way I see it.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,22:45)Quote (t8 @ May 21 2011,17:56)Possessing divinity is not meant to be taken that one has existed for all eternity. After all, we can partake of divine nature and even though we have eternal life, we still had a beginning and I don't see how that can ever change.I wholeheartedly agree.Mike,If our human nature…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 21 2011,18:56)Possessing divinity is not meant to be taken that one has existed for all eternity. After all, we can partake of divine nature and even though we have eternal life, we still had a beginning and I don't see how that can ever change.Hi t8,I believe that when one has as a divine nature as their original and essential…[Read more]

Pierre,That's right, Christ was there before the heavens were made. The Bible says there are three heavens, I wonder where the Father and Son were before the heavens were created.Kathi

Quote (Pastry @ May 21 2011,05:16)Kathy!  Don't know what your point is.  I don't know if Jesus was always  in the Father, do you???  Do you have a scripture that says so???…You say Jesus was alive before He was begotten, Yes, as a Spirit Being…. That is the way I see it.  Begotten means born, and He was born as a Human, that's my poin…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 21 2011,03:44)Quote (david @ May 21 2011,16:51)I have a question for you Paul.  When were the angels created?Scripture does not expressly declare it, but my assumption is at the commencement of the creation week. Since they are the “hosts of heaven” (Luke 2:13) they must have been brought into existence with or following the…[Read more]

Irene,Whether 9 months is a long period of time or not, if it were only 1 month, that would demonstrate that you existed before you were born, that was the point.I know He was a spirit being, He also was the exact representation of the nature of God. No other spirit being can say that except God, the Father.Phillipians 2:6-7 shows us the Son's…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Jesus was also brought forth by his Father, indicating a time when he didn't exist.And that is not proven anywhere in scripture. The Spirit was also brought forth yet eternal.Anyway, we should probably just keep our discussion in our discussion thread, ok? I was asking Irene for her response in case you didn't notice I would like to…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 20 2011,20:13)Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2011,16:47)t8 (and Paul you might be interested in this too),Good post, the early church fathers and many Christian commentaries consider Prov 8 to be speaking about the Son of God also.  It is probably speaking about wisdom as found in the Son and not wisdom as the Son.John Wesley wrote…[Read more]

Irene,Did you exist within the womb before you were actually born from the womb? Wasn't your heart beating long before your mother brought you forth through birth? Maybe the Son existed within His Father before He was actually born also and maybe He 'always' existed within His Father until He was born since the Father has always been…[Read more]

Dennison, (David you might be interested in this too)I totally agree with your last post there. Here is an example of someone 'creating' through another person and that other person actually does most of the work.1Now when Rachel saw that she bore Jacob no children, she became jealous of her sister; and she said to Jacob, “Give me children, or e…[Read more]

t8 (and Paul you might be interested in this too),Good post, the early church fathers and many Christian commentaries consider Prov 8 to be speaking about the Son of God also. It is probably speaking about wisdom as found in the Son and not wisdom as the Son.John Wesley wrote this:8:1Wisdom – It is a great question what this wisdom is. Some…[Read more]

Hi Guys,Eternity has to have a sequence of events within it, which would give a sense of time different than what we know because is not governed by the sun and moon but in some other way. There are no nights in eternity but I believe that the scriptures speak of days in eternity. I put those verses up a long time ago and can't recall them all…[Read more]

Hi ya Mike,Yes, the Cayman Islands are appealing but the guys in England seem like they are having a blast.you said:Quote I agree the Son existed before the creation of everything else. But the Son was created by God first, and then all other things were created by God through His Son. Many scriptures support my understanding.The scriptures that…[Read more]