Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2011,19:56)Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,18:01)If you are convinced of your theory, that God is “THEM”, then call God “THEM” to at least show your faith in your own teaching/doctrine.When you do that, at least I will be convinced that you truly believe your own doctrine.Hear, hear!I do.

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,19:00)and thus being called wisdom from God also places him as a candidate for the wisdom that was the craftsman at his side.Or the wisdom as it was in the craftsman who, if the Son, is called God. The Son is at the Father's side. God as the Son was at the Father's side. THEY are inseparable and represent one united…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,17:40)Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,15:56)Hi t8,There are no articles in the Greek in this verse however they are added to the translation.1 Cor 1;24but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.I think people make more out of the article than they should.  For…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,17:34)Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,16:00)Mike,Quote Jesus was also brought forth by his Father, indicating a time when he didn't exist.And that is not proven anywhere in scripture.  The Spirit was also brought forth yet eternal.Anyway, we should probably just keep our discussion in our discussion thread, ok?  I was a…[Read more]

Keith,As I PM'd you…I will move our discussions over here to our one on one discussion thread in order to keep things together.https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y297520You may respond or not but I just need a place where I can see all that we say from this point. Thanks for understanding, Kathi

From the 'Kathy' thread I said this:Quote The spirit of man is called the innerman or innerperson.The son of man is called man.Wouldn't the Spirit of God be the innerperson of God?Wouldn't the Son of God be called God?If God Almighty is called Father, can He be called true Father apart from a true Son? If you don't believe in the true and proper…[Read more]

Hi Keith,You mentioned me on Kerwin's 'kathy' thread (and I know it is spelled wrong but that is the way that Kerwin spelled it).  Because I want to have a place for our conversations, uninterrupted, I am going to address what you say about me or to me…over here.  I know you don't have time to have some formal discussion with me and that's f…[Read more]

The spirit of man is called the innerman or innerperson.The son of man is called man.Wouldn't the Spirit of God be the innerperson of God?Wouldn't the Son of God be called God?If God Almighty is called Father, can He be called true Father apart from a true Son? If you don't believe in the true and proper Son, then you do not have the true and…[Read more]

I think the 'from the Father, through the Son' just shows that there are more than one person in the one all sufficient Deity. A Father and Son with their Spirit=the all sufficient Deity. Take one away and no one is made or saved.Kathi

Mike,I am a Christian…a believer in the Father and the Son and their Holy Spirit. Let's leave it at that, ok. Thanks!Kathi

Mike,Literal offsprings are not 'created.' Literal creations are the first of their kind. Offsprings come from their kind. So, if the term 'created' is used on an offspring, it is not the literal use of the word 'created' but a figurative use of the word 'created.' The term 'offspring' does not represent a kind, Mike.So, let me ask the…[Read more]

Good grief Charlie Brown is what comes to mind right now…it is too late for anything more than that

I agree…Wispring good post

I know Mike but I'm sure t8 could use more compensation for putting up with those that love you and want to wring your neck

Mike,A passage about becoming partakers of the divine nature.2 Peter 1:11Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,      To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ: 2Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord; 3seeing th…[Read more]

Hi Mike,I graduated another son this weekend from high school and so I have had limited time on here.  Thanks for your patience.  I thought you didn't want long posts and then right away you write these long posts and I write long posts to respond to your long posts.  We are a lost cause you said:Quote First of all, I didn't set out to prove an…[Read more]

t8,I think that if I were you, I would increase Mike's price to a three figure amount. Think about it, it could be a real money maker for you.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2011,15:00)Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2011,13:35)Only if you don't believe that the only begotten Son WASN'T a literal Son.  I thought you said that you believe in a literal son of God, Mike.Kathi, I am a literal son of my father.  My human nature began when I was brought forth as a human being – AND NOT BEFORE THAT.  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2011,14:54)Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2011,13:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2011,13:38)Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 21 2011,22:43)Excellent post Kathi. T8 holds the Morman belief that believers become divine in the next life. I've already explained to him that you do not become that which you partake in. I.e. if you partake in a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2011,13:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2011,10:36)Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,22:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,19:58)Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2011,23:00)And that is not proven anywhere in scripture.  The Spirit was also brought forth yet eternal.I'm sorry, when again was the Spirit begotten by God?Mike,It wasn't…[Read more]