Ha, Paul…touche'We each found a verse that both speak of YHVH being from everlasting with two different words which are both found in Micah 5:2 which Mike claims Jesus had a beginning because of those two words.If they prove Jesus had a beginning, then he has to say that YHVH had a beginning also, which we know He didn't. Good job!Time to get…[Read more]

Mike,If Micah 5:2 is teaching that the Son had a beginning, then Habakkuk 1:12 is saying the same about YHVH. The same word is used in each verse.Micah 5:2 “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of…[Read more]

Good discernment Paul. That debate would be interesting! Do you think he has the courage…hmmm.

Mike,You don't seem to be able to discern between the man of the one who was both God and man and between the God of the one who was both God and man. It was the man that needed the power, etc., the Son had the power of God by nature.Quote You are putting limitations on the One who created the heavens, the earth, and everything in them -…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 04 2011,00:03)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2011,14:28)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 03 2011,14:17)Mike,I agree with the whole church thing.  todays churchs are unscripturalHi DennisonSorry you feel that way. But how can you make a blanket statement like that about all churches? Have you been to all of them?The majority…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2011,14:28)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 03 2011,14:17)Mike,I agree with the whole church thing.  todays churchs are unscripturalHi DennisonSorry you feel that way. But how can you make a blanket statement like that about all churches? Have you been to all of them?The majority of people getting saved, healed, and…[Read more]

Wow Mike,You have joined the ranks of condemnation with others here. You know that I don't believe the Son was created so your points about the Son being a creation are invalid towards me.There was a lot of 'saving' going on in scripture but the saving that the Son did was eternal. The others weren't. The Father was not able to offer eternal…[Read more]

Here are two that are YHVH:Zech 10:12 “And I will strengthen them in the LORD (YHVH), And in His name they will walk,” declares the LORD (YHVH).

Interesting how Job, after his flesh is destroyed by worms, will see God, while in his flesh.Job 19:25-27For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth. And though after my skin, worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not…[Read more]

Interesting how Job, after his flesh is destroyed by worms, will see God, while in his flesh.Job 19:25-27For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth. And though after my skin, worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not…[Read more]

Mike,Context tells you if “God” refers to a particular person within the Godhead, whether the Father or the Son, or if it refers to the Godhead which consists of the Father with His Son and their Spirit.Kathi

Mike,Context tells you if “God” refers to a particular person within the Godhead, whether the Father or the Son, or if it refers to the Godhead which consists of the Father with His Son and their Spirit.Kathi

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2011,11:23)Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2011,09:42)Hi Paul,I completely agree with you.  However, when we read the insults from others, we learn their character.  We know that is not Spirit led.  God doesn't inspire others to condemn.  The insults are just verification of one who condemns.  Therefore, in a way, it i…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 03 2011,01:42)Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2011,06:53)Mike,Their oneness consists of more than one person.Also, if God was always Almighty, then He was never without His Son and their Spirit.  Which way is God more mighty…with the Son or without the Son?  With the Son, right?  A no brainer.  So, if God was always ALM…[Read more]

This next ancient historical Syriac document is about a man named Sharbil.  He had been a priest to idols until his conversion to Christianity.  This is very interesting!  It shows the power that the emperors had to torture anyone who did not sacrifice to their gods made out of stone.  Notice how this document confesses that Christ was to be wor…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 03 2011,03:03)Also, Kathi, what kind of nonsense are you writing by saying God could not be God without the Son?The Father could not be the father without the Son.It is evident in itself that there is no father without the Son!Not one single person argues against that – your point is twisted to create your own delusion.Before…[Read more]

Hi Paul,I completely agree with you. However, when we read the insults from others, we learn their character. We know that is not Spirit led. God doesn't inspire others to condemn. The insults are just verification of one who condemns. Therefore, in a way, it is encouraging me to continue in my understanding since it is satan who condemns and…[Read more]

Hi Ted,As with everything, it needs to be tested. Believers have the Spirit within them to guide them. Good thing As far as what these documents are saying, I find they line up to the beliefs of the majority of early church fathers. I did not get the same understanding about Mr. Pratten. I think the author of the introduction was just stating…[Read more]

Mikeyou said:Quote You act as if “Spirit Jesus” existed in heaven as an “out of body” entity watching down on “Flesh Jesus” during his ministry………and that only “Flesh Jesus” died while “Spirit Jesus” lived on.Of course you know I have never said that, right. The pre-existent Son took on flesh, He didn't look down on His flesh.Quote Jesus…[Read more]

Mikeyou said:Quote You act as if “Spirit Jesus” existed in heaven as an “out of body” entity watching down on “Flesh Jesus” during his ministry………and that only “Flesh Jesus” died while “Spirit Jesus” lived on.Of course you know I have never said that, right. The pre-existent Son took on flesh, He didn't look down on His flesh.Quote Jesus…[Read more]