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Lightenup replied to the topic Deity of Jesus Christ-Scriptural Database in the forum Group Discussions 14 years, 11 months ago
John 20:26After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.” 27Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28Th…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Deity of Jesus Christ-Scriptural Database in the forum Group Discussions 14 years, 11 months ago
Acts 20:28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.I might add that the definite article 'the' is in the Greek in front of 'God' in this verse. Here is the Greek for all your Greek geeks
prosexete (5720) eautoiv kai panti tw…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Titus 2:13, 14 Proof that Jesus is The Saviour! in the forum Debates 14 years, 11 months ago
I agree with that post to Mike, Keith (your other posts on this page as well). We can trust Jesus with EVERYTHING can't we Keith, even creepy people! Don't lose heart.Acts 20:28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.1 C…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Jehovah as the Son scriptural database in the forum Group Discussions 14 years, 11 months ago
For starters…Genesis 18 1Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. 2When he lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth, 3and said, “My Lord, if now I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Jehovah as the Son scriptural database in the forum Group Discussions 14 years, 11 months ago
There are those who assume that God the Father was the one who interacted with ancient Israel personally, appearing and speaking to Moses and the patriarchs. However, the Bible contradicts this belief:JOHN 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. (NKJV)JOHN 5:37 “And the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Ancient Syriac Documents in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 14 years, 11 months ago
t8,More about the Father and Jesus being one…“I and the Father are one.”Gill's Exposition of the Entire BibleI and my Father are one. Not in person, for the Father must be a distinct person from the Son, and the Son a distinct person from the Father; and which is further manifest, from the use of the verb plural, “I and my Father”, “we are one”;…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Ancient Syriac Documents in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 14 years, 11 months ago
t8,Read this passage and then Gill's commentary on it. I agree with Gill here. 20“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22“The glory whic…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Titus 2:13, 14 Proof that Jesus is The Saviour! in the forum Debates 14 years, 11 months ago
David,Quote “At this point the men turned from there and got on their way to Sodom; but as for Jehovah, he was still standing before Abraham.” The third 'man,' who we know was not a man in reality but only in appearance, was Jehovah…the Son of God. The Father and Son both share the name 'Jehovah.' They are both deity. The Son would nat…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Ancient Syriac Documents in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 14 years, 11 months ago
Pierre,Then you are a liar according to that verse?
Lightenup replied to the topic Titus 2:13, 14 Proof that Jesus is The Saviour! in the forum Debates 14 years, 11 months ago
David,There are many senses in which one can be called a father, not just one who gives eternal life.
Lightenup replied to the topic Titus 2:13, 14 Proof that Jesus is The Saviour! in the forum Debates 14 years, 11 months ago
David,Gen 18 mentions Jehovah many times. They are all referring to one of the three that appeared walking towards Abraham and eating with him, etc. That Jehovah is the Son and not the Father.
Lightenup replied to the topic Titus 2:13, 14 Proof that Jesus is The Saviour! in the forum Debates 14 years, 11 months ago
Mike,You question is misleading because you are acting like one part of the sentence that Paul says is the only part. When you use the complete thought of Paul's which includes the one Lord part, then I will answer your question.Good night and sweet dreams Mike,Kathi
Lightenup replied to the topic Ancient Syriac Documents in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 14 years, 11 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2011,20:28)Yeah…………..it's ME who doesn't understand!
Kathi, do we call more than one person a “HE”?”Echad” means the same in Hebrew as “one” means in English. We can say Jehovah is ONE, meaning there is only ONE of them. And we can say our hope is to be ONE with Jesus and his God, meaning a unity.Now, tell me…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Ancient Syriac Documents in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 14 years, 11 months ago
Pierre,You never asked me what translation I used. I often use the NASB, NIV, NET Bible…whichever one I think translates the verse best according to the Greek or Hebrew.My opinion of what the firstborn over all creation is, happens to be common and that is why I directed you to the firstborn thread. It is clear that we aren't going to get…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Titus 2:13, 14 Proof that Jesus is The Saviour! in the forum Debates 14 years, 11 months ago
Mike,Paul calls them both deity in that verse…both theos and kurios are words that are often used to apply to deity and in this verse that is the case. I think that is what Paul is saying.
Lightenup replied to the topic Titus 2:13, 14 Proof that Jesus is The Saviour! in the forum Debates 14 years, 11 months ago
David,Genesis 18 for starters.No scripture says that Jesus is the Father, as in His Father but Jesus is the one who gives eternal life and in that sense is a Father. He is not His own Father.
Lightenup replied to the topic Ancient Syriac Documents in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 14 years, 11 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2011,18:09)Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2011,15:46)There is but one Almighty God on one side of the equation which encompasses two mighty Gods and their Spirit on the other side of the equation, as I understand it.Your understanding makes us have TWO Gods, which is a heresy. Not even the Trinitarians go that far.Mike,I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Ancient Syriac Documents in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 14 years, 11 months ago
Rena,You can ask 100 different people and likely get a large number of various opinions. Walk by the Spirit and let the Spirit guide you in understanding why Jesus is called the mighty God.
Lightenup replied to the topic Titus 2:13, 14 Proof that Jesus is The Saviour! in the forum Debates 14 years, 11 months ago
Mike,Does the Father save us apart from the Son?Quote I await your explanation as to why Jesus is many times distinguished as someone OTHER THAN and LESSOR TO “the only true God” and our “one God”. I have already been through this with you Mike.Kathi
Lightenup replied to the topic Titus 2:13, 14 Proof that Jesus is The Saviour! in the forum Debates 14 years, 11 months ago
Quote (david @ June 26 2011,18:47)Quote you go on and on about Jehovah this and Jehovah that but you don't seem to realize that the Son has the name Jehovah as well as the Father. If this is true LU, then how do you know when I say “Jehovah” I am not speaking of “Jesus”? Further, if the Son has the name “Jehovah” as you say, then it seems you a…[Read more]
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