Quote (shimmer @ July 02 2011,17:51)Kathi,Do you believe that you can now, through Jesus, go directly to the Father?Do you believe that what Christ did, was tear down the dividing wall?Do you believe that when you go to the Father in prayer, and address the Father as the Father, that Jesus is in you? Or is Jesus not?Is Jesus out there – someone…[Read more]

Pierre,Do you think that God the Father was always the authority over all things? Do you think that the creator would have a king over Him, ever? Do you think that the kingdom of God did not exist till after Jesus was born of Mary?Thanks in advance for answering,Kathi

Mike,Yes it is a Messianic prophecy. According to His humanity He became king after His resurrection, as I understand it. According to His divinity He was always in authority with His Father in the kingdom of God, as the Son, from the beginning of creation.Rev 3 14″To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen,…[Read more]

Pierre,Look at the scriptures that I have given you and you can read truth.

Pierre,The 'if' was to help you reason it out, not because I doubt that He always was a king.

Pierre,If He has always been a king, then He would already be a king when He became flesh and was born. As the offspring of David, I still believe that He received the kingdom promised to David after His resurrection.So my view remains.Kathi

Pierre,Actually it seems that Jesus was the King even when He was just born.Matt 2:2″Where is He who has been born King of the Jews ? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.Psalm 145:13Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And Your dominion endures throughout all generations.

Thanks Keith,Here is another:Hebrews 1:8But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 01 2011,12:00)Hi AllWhen a true believer refers to “God” as his “Savior” that includes “The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit” for the three are “One” and you can't have one without the other!Pure and simple. “One God” and “One Savior” and that is Biblical!WJThat's right Keith!Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2011,08:47)KathiQuote Pierre,As the offspring of David, He received His kingdom when He was resurrected.  As the root of David He was always in His kingdom with His Father.Kathi Quote As the offspring of David, He received His kingdom when He was resurrectedwhere does it say that in scriptures?to my understanding it…[Read more]

t8,You already have a place for private discussions by invitation only in the 'Group Discussions and Debates' thread.  If you want to discuss with only certain people then start a discussion and invite who you want to invite.However, it might be a good idea to have a section for those who believe in the deity of Christ and another section for…[Read more]

There are two persons that took part in our eternal salvation. They form a unity and that unity is called the LORD (Jehovah) our God.So in a sense there are two Saviors and in another sense there is one Savior. It depends on the perspective or emphasis of the situation.Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lordsThe LORD…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 29 2011,20:11)t8,Quote Family is a unit/organisation made up of persons.A family is not a HIM, but THEY.But that has nothing to do with my example.  My example wasn't defining a family but a 'family man' who is a 'him' and not a they.  t8, I have noticed time and time again how you are misreading nearly every post I w…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 27 2011,00:59)Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2011,09:21)t8,Quote Even Jesus is a son of the Most High except that he is the only begotten and firstborn. A big exception there t8.  A difference between deity and non deity.God is a 'Him' on one side of the equation but on the other side of the equation, the Father is a mighty God, the…[Read more]

t8.Are you the one pretending that you don't understand pronouns and antecedents? http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000030.htmthese are your words t8:Quote It amazes me how some people really try hard to change truth into their own understanding.Whatever happened to just reading scripture and believing it.Having to apply a doctrine to all…[Read more]

Pierre,As the offspring of David, He received His kingdom when He was resurrected. As the root of David He was always in His kingdom with His Father.Kathi

Quote (Rena @ July 01 2011,00:11)Kathi, how come Jesus said – “Why do you call me good? No one is good except one–God.”I don't understand the Trinity, and I dont know anything about the earlier Trinity that you speak of. But I'm curious about this one verse and others.Rena,I think that Jesus was looking for faith and to see if His Father had…[Read more]

Ok Mike…rejoice…it lives again

Roo,Thanks…welcome back, I hope all is well.Kathi

Dear Hopeless you said:Quote It doesn't really matter though, does it?  If the Father is greater than Jesus in ANY RESPECT AT ALL, then you no longer have two EQUAL mighty gods who form one Almighty God.  Do you not know what the word “EQUAL” means, Kathi?Which one was the greater Son Mike, or the greater servant, or the greater mediator, or the g…[Read more]