Mike,you asked:Quote What scripture tells you the Son “allowed” his Father's will to be done?Do you think the Son had no choice but to do the will of the Father? Do you think that the Son was just the Father's puppet?Quote When does scripture say the Father “submitted” to his Son? “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 24 2011,21:42)Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,14:13)Both the Father and the Son are the one savior, Kathi, I don't understand your English here.  Could you try again?  Hint:  When intelligent people speak of TWO persons in English, they use a PLURAL word to describe them, such as “saviors”.  For example:  Mike and Kath…[Read more]

Hi Mike,you said:Quote You left out a word, Kathi. “That implies that ALL human beings brought forth an offspring” named Cain, not Abel. (Cain was the firstborn of ALL mankind. But that doesn't mean his father is ALL MANKIND, does it?)In the case of Cain, his father and mother were all mankind at the time.Quote Jesus calls GOD “Father”. But…[Read more]

Pierre,Obviously it hasn't happened to you yet. I didn't write my post to point fingers, just shared an observation.

Hi William,We are not to argue with someone we feel that God would call a fool, I know that for sure. In all things we are to be Spirit led, even in our discussions and we are to wait upon the Lord to bring the understanding. Sometimes that means to just agree to wait on the Lord to bring agreement and cutoff the conversation that is turning…[Read more]

Pierre,Again you bring no apologetics but instead your rude opinion. Do you think that glorifies the true God Jehovah who is God of gods and Lord of lords? Rudeness doesn't bring Him glory, Pierre.Defend your opinion with scripture and leave out the rudeness, ok? Rude posts are against HN rules and you can be reported for that.Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 24 2011,08:39)Quote (Lightenup @ July 21 2011,23:42)It seems that Jesus walks in accordance to the Father's will and asks the Father for things in accordance to His (Jesus') will.“My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”This time, Jesus' will did not align with the…[Read more]

Both the Father and the Son are the one savior, salvation belongs to both of them, they are a compound unity. Salvation belongs to them as two persons in one compound unity. Creation also belongs to both of them as two persons in one compound unity. This compound unity is called 'Jehovah our God.' The name of the compound unity, 'Jehovah our…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote Kathi, who was the firstborn of all human beings? Would you consider it to be Adam, Eve, or Cain? No matter which one you consider to be “the firstborn of all mankind”, I'm sure you would be smart enough to know that “all mankind” refers to the GROUP that one was a MEMBER OF, and not to the “entity” that brought that one…[Read more]

Irene,Deut. 10:17 tells you who Jehovah our God is. He is both God of gods and Lord of lords. Deut 10:17 “For the LORD (Jehovah) your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.1 Cor 8:6 tells us there is one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2011,21:51)Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2011,08:58)Try to lay down your understanding Mike, it is weakening you.Are you kidding me?  You list a bunch of scriptures that clearly DISTINGUISH Jesus as someone OTHER THAN our God, and illogically try to say they mean Jesus and the Father together make up our God!  You are on J…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Kathi, we are also said to be ONE with the Father.Where?

Mike,you said:Quote Numbers 3:45“Take the Levites in place of all the firstborn of Israel….Did the NATION of Israel give birth? Or does this refer to the firstborns who are MEMBERS OF the Nation of Israel?“Take the Levites instead of all the firstborn among the sons of Israel and the cattle of the Levites. And the Levites shall be Mine; I am t…[Read more]

Mike,You said:Quote Jesus is called the Lord of lords AND King of kings, right? Nebuchadnezzar is called the King of kings, right? So if we use the same formula that you use in Deut 10:17, we can come to the conclusion that Jesus is really a “compound unity” of Jesus AND Nebuchadnezzar.Because you say Jehovah is made up of the God of gods AND…[Read more]

Mike,Quote But I have a better idea. Let's see who JESUS HIMSELF says to worship:Matthew 4:10Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’Read this:‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’You need to get to know who Jehovah, your God is Mike.Deut 10:17 “For the LORD your God…[Read more]

Pierre,If you don't know those elementary answers, you need to study your Bible, not ask someone that you automatically insult every one of their responses. I am not interested in entertaining you. I'm going to pass…not worth my time, sorry. I would rather spend my time helping someone.Kathi

Mike,Quote That passage tells of the firstborn OF God's creation, and never says he actually CREATED a single thing.Actually the verse is translated as 'firstborn of all creation' or 'firstborn over all creation.'Look at this passage in the OT:Numbers 8:16 for they are wholly given to Me from among the sons of Israel. I have taken them for Myself…[Read more]

Keith…good post all the way!Blessings, Kathi

So, Pierre,You just make these statements that tell me some insult but you don't point out anything specific about my post. Do you know who Elihu is?

Pierre,What do you mean about mixing ingredients. You can see that it says He has become a high priest forever.The double nature shows a duality of roles:6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of…[Read more]