Irene,It says that we can be one in THEM, not just the Father. Now ask yourself why, Irene. It is because they are a unity. How is it that believer's can be in THEM, Irene? Are we going to become more members within their unity and also be Jehovah God or simply be the saints/ the adopted sons in the kingdom of Jehovah God and be in them…[Read more]

Pierre,I am fully aware of that verse. The one saying “I am the LORD; that is my name” is Jehovah our God who is both the Father and the Son. Jehovah is the name of their unity. Both the Father and the Son will not give up their glory to anyone, the glory that they have with one another.Jesus tells us that they shared a common glory and will…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 29 2011,01:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,22:19)Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2011,22:48)BTW, that Hebrew word for Lord, the first Lord in 'Lord of lords,' is Adonay.  The word used ONLY for our deity Lord.You are mistaken, Kathi.  Ask Jack.  He quoted Barnes or someone who made the same claim you did, and I showed him TW…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 28 2011,17:36)Quote (Lightenup @ July 20 2011,15:08)Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2011,18:02)Quote (Lightenup @ July 20 2011,16:40)Pierre,Wrong verse…keep looking in John 17.KathiKathiyou mean that this one is not true ?PierrePierre,This response of yours really makes me question your comprehension skills.I never said the verse…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 20 2011,23:30)Quote (terraricca @ July 20 2011,16:55)Kathijust remember we are all gods PierrePsalm 82:6“I said, ‘You are “gods”;   you are all sons of the Most High.’Gill's Exposition of the Entire BibleI have said, ye are gods,…. In the law, Exodus 21:6 or they were so by his appointment and commission; he constitute…[Read more]

t8,I don't teach that God is ever not almighty.  I teach that He has always been almighty.  He has always been with the Son.The Son that pre-existed the flesh never died.  The Father was never without the Son.  The Son of Man who had flesh died.The unity of Jehovah our God is not a person but made up of two persons, the Father and the Son.Kathi

Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:36)Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2011,23:12)Quote (terraricca @ July 27 2011,23:58)Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2011,22:53)Mike,you said in your post above to Keith:Quote God is the “ULTIMATE SAVIOR”, because no one else would have the power to even save a single hair on their head if not for Him.  This is what it…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 28 2011,12:32)Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2011,23:20)Pierre, Here is your scripture:See my notes in parenthesis:Isaiah 19:20It will become a sign and a witness to the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the LORD (Jehovah our God, the unity of the Father and the Son) because of oppressors, and He (still…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,22:19)Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2011,22:48)BTW, that Hebrew word for Lord, the first Lord in 'Lord of lords,' is Adonay.  The word used ONLY for our deity Lord.You are mistaken, Kathi.  Ask Jack.  He quoted Barnes or someone who made the same claim you did, and I showed him TWO scriptures where “adonay” was us…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,22:28)Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2011,22:53)Together the Father and the Son agreed to have the Father send the Son to be the Savior of the world.  Why didn't you just say that they agreed the Son would go?  If they both agreed on it, then why did one SEND the other?  This gets more amusing all the time.Anyway, is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,22:30)Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2011,23:20)Pierre,Here is your scripture:See my notes in parenthesis:Isaiah 19:20It will become a sign and a witness to the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the LORD (Jehovah our God, the unity of the Father and the Son) because of oppressors, and He (still…[Read more]

Mike,Where does it say that we are to be one with the Father?Yes Pierre, listen to Mike and let it go because your verse does not say that we will be one with the Father.Kathi

Isaiah 54:5“For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth.Six names for Jesus here:Husband…He is the bridegroom after all.Maker…All things came into being by Him and for Him.LORD (Jehovah) of hosts…Jehovah our God is the God of gods and the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2011,23:14)Pierre has probably forgotten more about scripture than I'll ever know, Kathi.  And just so you know, Jesus is the Messiah, THE ANOINTED ONE OF JEHOVAH GOD.  Jeremiah 30:9Instead, they will serve the LORD their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.Ezekiel 34:24 I the LORD will be their G…[Read more]

Pierre,Men or women having poor education and communication skills hardly proves that they carry the spirit of truth. It is not a prerequisite to speak poorly in order to have truth. Also, it is certainly not true to say that learned men and women can't have truth because they speak well and are highly educated. The Bible tells us to have…[Read more]

Mike,A role is not nature but nature defines roles. A human with a human nature carries out the role of a human. A dog with a canine nature carries out the role of a dog. So, the Son had the nature of God and the nature of man. No other being ever has been dual natured like that. Two natures precludes two different roles. It has never been…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2011,07:35)Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,23:08)Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2011,20:33)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 25 2011,20:20)Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,22:24)Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2011,22:19)Mike,Quote Kathi, we are also said to be ONE with the Father.Where?Mike,Did you answer this and I missed it or did you…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 27 2011,21:42)Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2011,19:44)Pierre, You offer only your opinion.  No apologetics.Kathikathiwhy should do one apologetic demonstrating that you do not tell the truth ,clear demonstration in scriptures do not require much explanation unless you can not read what is not your case,you refuse to eat…[Read more]

Mike,Can you have the role of a member on HN and at the same time the role of the moderator? Yet you are the same person, right? You are not two separate persons, but one person with two different personnas.Jesus is both the Son of God and the Son of Man. Jesus did not exist as the Son of Man until He came in the flesh and then He was the Son…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2011,22:47)Kathi,Could you answer my question?  I'm trying to gauge your intelligence level.Revelation 1:5NASB © and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood— NRSV © and from Jesus Chri…[Read more]