t8Jesus is THE image, not 'an' image.  Quote E.g., if you are OF God, does that make you God? No. Likewise the image of the invisible God or the Messenger of the LORD is/are not God. You are incorrect…replace the word God with 'man.'If you are 'of' man, does that make you man…yes.Genesis 5:3 NASWhen Adam had lived one hundred and thirty…[Read more]

Pierre,What you put up doesn't disagree with what I have said.

Irene,If you are going to make a statement about what Ryrie says, it should be accurate.  Btw, your verses in Psalms do not have the word “Father” in it.I know that the Father is the Most High God as God of gods.  The unity of the Father and the Son would be the most high God AND Lord.  So, Jehovah (the unity) would be the most high…the most hi…[Read more]

t8 and others, see my reply on the new thread:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y305754

To all,If I have outstanding questions that are related to this topic, please put them here and I will get to them, Lord willing. I am going to focus on this thread for now since I am getting sorta busy. Thanks!Kathi

t8,This is a good topic and I may keep my conversations here for a while so that I am not jumping around trying to keep up with those asking me questions. I am getting rather busy with planning a bridal shower, starting a new school year and designing a big kitchen for a client…soooo I need to limit my time on HN. Hope you understand.With the…[Read more]

Irene,Quote In our Rye Study Bible in the footnotes it says that LORD in all capital letters is Jehovah God one person our Heavenly Fathers name.Do you mean 'Ryrie' Study Bible? I don't see that footnote. Which verse is that footnote referencing. I found, in my Ryrie Study Bible the note about Genesis 2:4 when Jehovah is first mentioned, the…[Read more]

Mike,Quote And for two, like I said, one of the “she's” should actually be a “he” if they were to follow the gender of the Greek words throughout the whole passage.I truly think this is not so…we just don't understand Greek construction well enough to know that, imo.Eph 5:27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Because so far, you haven't produced one single shred of evidence worthy of convincing even a third grader that the Son OF God is also a co-equal member of the God he is the Son OF.Well, that would be because I am not trying to do that. The Son of God is a co-equal member of the unity with the God that He is the Son of.Quote Maybe you…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 01 2011,19:21)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 01 2011,13:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2011,13:35)Mike,You just need to know why Jehovah is the most high and the most high what.  Then you will understand.Jesus is called 'son of the Most High God'.But the Father is not called 'Father of the Most High God'.Your understanding appears to not work…[Read more]

Mike,I'm just answering your questions for my benefit to know that I can. I will leave the convincing to the Lord. I am just supposed to proclaim the truth freely as it is given me…what kind of ground it falls on is out of my control. This site is open to anybody whether their soil is rich and fertile, ready to hold on to truth and produce…[Read more]

t8Quote And thus whatever Jesus is, we will be. That is impossible to be the only begotten Son too, sorry to burst your bubble.Define “partake of divine nature” with scripture, please.Quote If you call him Theos because of his nature, then you can't forgot that we will be as he is and he will call us brothers.We will not be brothers by nature but…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 01 2011,04:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2011,14:23)who was both the Father and the Son.Correction.”THEY were the Father and Son.”It sounds like you are referring to one person, but then address two. Hence the correction.t8, it would help you to learn how a compound unity is spoken about in the singular at times and in plural at…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2011,05:37)Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2011,19:05)Quote (Pastry @ July 31 2011,04:02)Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2011,15:32)Irene,I have been answering Mike and he keeps asking for more.  What I have shown him is sufficient to prove that a compound unity is referred to with singular pronouns.Quote As far as the Church is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2011,19:05)Quote (Pastry @ July 31 2011,04:02)Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2011,15:32)Irene,I have been answering Mike and he keeps asking for more.  What I have shown him is sufficient to prove that a compound unity is referred to with singular pronouns.Quote As far as the Church is concerned, it is not a He or She, the…[Read more]

By nature we are no gods Pierre. There lies the difference. Men or angels can have authority and in that way they may be considered as gods, but by nature they are no gods.Kathi

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 31 2011,17:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,21:50)Since we all now KNOW of the existence of OTHER saviors in the scriptures, what exactly is it that makes them “shadow saviors” while Jesus is “the real McCoy”?  1.  Was not Jesus SENT by his God to be a savior just like all of the other ones?  2.  Was he not emp…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2011,09:58)Quote (Lightenup @ July 29 2011,00:04)Asked and answered.  There is one ultimate Savior who is both the Father and the Son.I was looking for clarification by your own words that you acknowledge that our Ultimate Savior SENT other saviors.  I want you to CLEARY state the truth of the matter that “only S…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote and so all the angels and men who have participate either partly or fully in their lives are not counted Like moses ,John the baptist Paul,Peter just to name a few No, they are not also part of Jehovah as God.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2011,10:54)Quote (Lightenup @ July 29 2011,00:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,22:19)Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2011,22:48)BTW, that Hebrew word for Lord, the first Lord in 'Lord of lords,' is Adonay.  The word used ONLY for our deity Lord.You are mistaken, Kathi.  Ask Jack.  He quoted Barnes or someone who made th…[Read more]