Irene,Compound unities are referred to by the singular pronoun and can have a name by which they are called. That is what Jehovah is, the name of the compound unity. You admit that Jesus was with the Father at creation and even put up Isaiah 45:18:Is. 45:18 “For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth a…[Read more]

Irene,Compound unities go by one name and within compound unities there is often found one that is head over another. That in no way takes away from the fact of the compound unity. You deny the unity of the Father and the Son. There are so many verses in the NT that link the two names. Maybe I will make a scripture database with those verses so…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2011,15:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,13:36)Mike,I am concerned and have been for a long time to see you twist things around.  I have shown you even today how you write two opposing statements, and now you make it sound like I agree that God created the firstborn when I distinctly wrote:Quote And, no God did not…[Read more]

Mike,A god who is really no god at all by nature can still have great powers. The angels have great powers, they are not gods but still they are supernatural. Satan has great powers just like the other angels but he uses his power in ways to oppose Jehovah and does the opposite of good. The good angels minister to God by using their great…[Read more]

The one that Manoah saw and the messenger that the Son is are most likely the same person and that person is a mighty God, creator of heaven and earth with the Father. He is not a creation.Kathi

Mike,I am concerned and have been for a long time to see you twist things around. I have shown you even today how you write two opposing statements, and now you make it sound like I agree that God created the firstborn when I distinctly wrote:Quote And, no God did not create Jesus in His own image…the Son did not become the image of God but IS…[Read more]

Pierre,You never gave me the source of the commentary that you quoted. Do you not know where you got that from?Kathi

Pierre,In order to be given birth, one has to exist before birth…that is elementary. Birth is not the same as creation. Did you know that half of the 46 chromosomes that made you were in your mother from her birth, several years before you were even conceived?Kathi

Mike,If someone is said to be the 'son' of the creator, then the creator is a father in the sense of being their creator but not in the sense that they share in the same identical nature, like in the case of the only begotten Son who would not be one who was created but instead begotten.Kathi

Mike,you are confused if this is what you think that I believe.you said:Quote The conclusion is the same for both of you, for you both end up worshipping TWO completely different Gods – one of them named Jesus, the other Jehovah.The Father and the Son have many names applied to them.  The Father and Son both go by the name of their…[Read more]

Mike,Consider this principle from scriptures:Eccl 4:12A person standing alone can be attacked and defeated, but two can stand back-to-back and conquer. Three are even better, for a triple-braided cord is not easily broken. And, no God did not create Jesus in His own image…the Son did not become the image of God but IS the image of the invisible…[Read more]

Mike,Where is Manoah called 'god?' And, is 'god/God' the only translation of the word elohim?Kathi

Mike,I suspect they are the created angels because non-heavenly beings were not created till days after the foundation of the earth was founded. Scripture does not make that clear though. Also, scripture does not show evidence that the angels ever call Jehovah by the name 'Father.' They refer to Him as Jehovah mostly, as I understand it.Do you…[Read more]

Mike,He often says that 'like begets like.' I do think that it is linguistics of words like 'one being' and misunderstanding of what 'oneness' is that causes part of the problem here. Btw, thanks for capitalizing the 'G.' Kathi

Mike,Quote Kathi, what are your thoughts about the “sons of God” mentioned in Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, and Gen 6:4? Do YOU think they are angels?Well, I believe they were heavenly created beings who do not call God their 'Father.' Kathi

Mike,You ought to read what you wrote in this quote:Quote And Kathi likes to ignore the fact that if there were more than one “God kind” of spirit being, then we would have more than one God.I don't think Keith is willing to be as brave as you, Kathi. You are okay with openly declaring your worship of TWO different Gods. In one sentence you say I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2011,11:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 13 2011,09:36)No comments from the peanut gallery How about a cashew?“Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’”Jehovah is speaking of the wooden, brass, and golden idols of the other nat…[Read more]

Keith, Do you find that many here that tear down the compound unity of God write as if this compound unity is made up of only one person. It is like they can't hear 'three persons in one' or 'two persons' in one unity. Don't they see that one person is speaking either to the other person or about the whole unity, depending on context. Maybe…[Read more]

In other words Mike, the other gods are not gods who have been exalted by the true God but by themselves or others. The gods that have exalted themselves or been exalted as gods by others will perish…they did not make heaven or earth.Jer 10: 11Thus you shall say to them, “The gods that did not make the heavens and the earth will perish from t…[Read more]

Mike,Those that might be called gods are those who have wrongly exalted themselves to make themselves equal to God or those objects that people have wrongly exalted and made these objects into objects of worship, like carved wooden images, handmade molten images, entertainment, sports, family, other people, etc.; whatever one has placed in their…[Read more]